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Original poster

to think that 20 grand on benefits a year is loads

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MrsBucketxx · 19/07/2013 08:36

considering they dont pay any income tax.

just watching we pay your benefits program and worked out that this is over 30 grand if it was a normal tax paying salary.

why was this not mentioned.

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Darkesteyes · 21/07/2013 17:15

Ronald did you watch We All Pay Your Benefits.
Im wiliing to bet the employees of Debbies cleaning company have to claim tax credits. So would you say the same about her then Bet you wouldnt

And you think disability and the caring involved should be for a limited period So how do you propose for conditions like Down Syndrome spinal injuries Coffin-Lowery Syndrome and heart conditions to dissapear...oh wait dont tell me i think i know what youve got in mind.

ShellyBoobs · 21/07/2013 17:18

Darkesteyes - I didn't see a suggestion that disability and carers allowances should be for a limited period?

twistyfeet · 21/07/2013 17:19

All those people who think disabled people and Carers should get more. Have you written to your MP's to protest about the fact that UC, the bedroom tax and welfare reform is hitting those people the hardest?

martini84 · 21/07/2013 17:20

The policy of offering free chilcare to all is completely hypocritical. People on this thread are saying
Don't pop out kids unless you can support them and treating benefit claimants as scum.
Having a go at sahp who have the cheek to claim tax credits. If you can' afford to sahm don't be lazy and get a job.
Yet in the same breath everyone should apparently fund parents childcare so they can work.

So it follows if you can't afford to pay for childcare don't have children.

Free schooling is totally different. Schooling is essential and enable those children to be the taxpayers of the future and fund the childless persons pension.

morethanpotatoprints · 21/07/2013 17:21

Happy.

You talk such bollocks. at your ill informed views.

My dc are faring very well in life.
I had my dc quite late really/ well into 20s and 30s
My older 2 are both working, my eldest as several pt jobs as they aren't secure now a days.
My daughter already knows what she wants to do and is working towards her goals and ambition.
Dh and I have been together for 25 years, so we are not a short term relationship.

However, there are many out there who have lots of money and they have this quite often not just by working but expecting to pay little for the services of small businesses and the self employed.
I hope you pay the full whack for all your services or you are part of the problem

martini84 · 21/07/2013 17:22

Debbie herself is likely to be getting out more than she puts in on the salary she claims to receive if you include. Chb schooling healthcare etc.

ShellyBoobs · 21/07/2013 17:23

morethanpotatoprints

Everything about your posts says, "me, me, me".

You want your lifestyle subsidised but don't want people who you see as better off that you to have theirs subsidised with free childcare.

What about schooling? If someone can afford to pay for private education of their children (as we do for ours) would you be complaining if we decided to go back to state schooling?

You've said nothing in any of your posts that's even remotely altruistic.

Darkesteyes · 21/07/2013 17:25

You didnt see that Shelly Proof that people only see what they want to see i shall c and p

ShellyBoobs · 21/07/2013 17:26

...and fund the childless persons pension.

Ah ha! the infamous pensions Ponzi/pyramid scheme.

Not everyone without children is in need of someone else to support their pension, you know. If they were, we'd have gone bust already so that point holds no water.

Darkesteyes · 21/07/2013 17:26

Here it is Shelly Final line of this post.

RonaldMcDonaldSun 21-Jul-13 14:33:22

I also think that removing tax credits will make it more likely that people have the children that they can afford.

Not the children I afford for them

I'm all for big families.
I'm all for SAHP
If you play for them yourselves

I think contraception would become massively more reliable if someone else didn't pay

If tax credits are removed from families where one parent refuses to work because they can and do take advantage of the benefit system then the SAHP will have to work to support their family like anyone else. If they refuse to do so then it will be that SAHP's fault if their child suffers. It will be their choice to SAH that causes the suffering. Not the lack of system to exploit.

I think it is hard for some to see that they need to support themselves and their families. It is no one else's responsibility except in circumstances of caring, disability or extreme life chance ( for a ltd period

Trigglesx · 21/07/2013 17:28

Our teen pregnancy rate and children born into short term relationships would drop dramatically if they were no handouts.

Complete and utter bollocks. The welfare system is worse than shite in the US and their teen pregnancy rates and children born into short term relationships are still way up there.

Do you honestly think that most people get pregnant in these situations on purpose?? Or in an attempt to get benefits or a home? Seriously??

twistyfeet · 21/07/2013 17:29

well spotted Darkesteyes. Maybe Ronald has a cure for brain damage or other severe disabilities she has neglected to mention...

ShellyBoobs · 21/07/2013 17:30

Yes, I saw that Darkeyes but I read it that the 'ltd period' refers to he 'extreme life change' part of that sentence.

Pressumably losing one's job or similar.

RonaldMcDonald · 21/07/2013 17:30

Everyone should get 100% free childcare vouchers

Tax the high earners more. I'm happy to pay from my earnings.

twistyfeet · 21/07/2013 17:33

you are aware Ronald, that there isnt enough childcare for those who want it. Especially for SN children aged 7-18

martini84 · 21/07/2013 17:34

No maybe not everyone shelly but its all academic. The govt. Couldn't afford to pay for everyone childcare. Although I believe that the new childcare support sysem (replacing childcare voucher) will help those on high incomes to the detriment of low paid and part time workers who will not qualify for this support.

Trigglesx · 21/07/2013 17:36

Then there's that tricky age after, say 8-10 where it's difficult to find childcare, but they can't stay home alone, especially for those that have no afterschool programmes. What good is a free childcare voucher if you can't actually use it.

But as I said, it would never fly anyway, for reasons posted earlier.

Trigglesx · 21/07/2013 17:37

Although I believe that the new childcare support sysem (replacing childcare voucher) will help those on high incomes to the detriment of low paid and part time workers who will not qualify for this support.

And lots of businesses are going to part time workers to cut costs, so they can simply schedule around busy times.

RonaldMcDonald · 21/07/2013 17:39

I was not aware of a childcare shortage for children with SN.
That sounds dire and impossible and balls.
I would expect that greater demand would/might equal greater provision? If we all felt able and supported to work maybe we'd be able to demand better?

Life changing benefit provision meant job loss. Housing loss. Illness not equalling disability. Retraining.

Trigglesx · 21/07/2013 17:40

That sounds dire and impossible and balls.

What exactly do you mean by this? That there isn't one? Have you ever TRIED to find safe, reliable, affordable childcare for a child with SNs?

Darkesteyes · 21/07/2013 17:43

Trig what will cause another problem is this stupid plan to have part time workers do workfare. How the hell are employers who are actually paying someone going to be happy with their employee doing workfare for a rival company They also wont be happy if the working schedules overlap.
Not to mention the fucking abomination that workfare is.

alemci · 21/07/2013 17:44

I think some young girls who have a bad home life and lack aspiration may get pregnant to get a home etc. It may boost their esteem and give them status.

they may have seen their mother do a similar thing.

Where I used to work I do know of some who have chosen this option and have posted pictures on fb about their homes etc.

RonaldMcDonald · 21/07/2013 17:44

No...

I mean that that situation sounds dire
It must be impossible to deal with
It is balls on every level ie it sucks ball that this is the case

twistyfeet · 21/07/2013 17:44

Lucky you Ronald. There is a massive shortage, especially for the extremely complex children and those with behavioural issues. DH has to take every single school holiday off work to look after dd because despite social services agreeing to fund some hours during the school holiday for Carers we cannot find anything like enough. (I cant care for her now she is larger and heavier. She is a 2 person job and I'm up all night doing the night shift and wimpy as it sounds, do need to sleep)
And not working holidays, insed days, past 3.30 etc = not getting paid.

Trigglesx · 21/07/2013 17:44

Oh dear god, don't even get me started on "workfare".

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