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To think I am the world's worst mother?

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ToughTimes · 17/07/2013 19:38

That's it really. I realised today that I am a shit mum. I have a 29 month old ds and a 7 month old. Today was one of those days where I wished I was anywhere but home. My toddler is CONSTANTLY either talking incessantly or a combination of shouting/screaming. From the moment he gets up till the moment he sleeps. He asks for me all the time, sometimes even shouting for me in his sleep. During the day if I so much as pop into another room, he screams till I come back. If I am on the phone he screams till I gets off. If I am breastfeeding the baby he screams until I put him down. He has the attention span of a typical 2 year old, and is extremely highly strung. It literally is non-stop. And whoever I talk to says 'he's just a child' (which obviously I know he is) but it's just so fucking fucking fucking SUFFOCATING. I actually wished today that I had a minor accident which would mean I could stay in hospital just to get away a bit.

I don't think I have PND as when I'm away from the toddler (2 sessions of nursery a week), I'm absolutely fine. It's just I find him so overbearing sometimes. I'd give my life for him, but I just dislike spending so much time with him. He was an extremely high needs baby, and I thought he'd grow out of it as he got older but he is still as demanding as ever. I think I need to get away but DH won't entertain going away (even for one night) without them. I am bfing baby anyway, so not really feasible. But I can dream, can't I?

Obviously I hate myself for feeling like this. And prepared for the flaming of my life. But would love to hear from someone who's in a similar situation and how you cope.

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lessonsintightropes · 17/07/2013 19:42

It just sounds like you are having a really shit time, not that you're a shit mother. Are you getting enough support? What about DP/DH? Can't he help out more/give you a break sometimes to make sure you get some time for yourself?

YouTheCat · 17/07/2013 19:42

Nothing wrong with dreaming.

ThePowerof3 · 17/07/2013 19:43

I'd be disappointed if you got flamed for these very normal feelings, I went through the same with my first two, my eldest DD was screamy, needy and yes a bit suffocating. I love her so much but sometimes I'd feel like exploding. It does get better I promise, can you get away one evening a week maybe to exercise class or something

lessonsintightropes · 17/07/2013 19:44

PS My DS had this with her PFB until he was three (DNiece is 2 years younger) and it was like a switch flipped for her when he started childcare.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 17/07/2013 19:46

Pre- children I dreaded being a parent thinking about coping with poo and vomit but snot was the worst; of course had anyone mentioned the energy draining intensity of a demanding toddler and comfort-seeking baby 24/7 I might have re-considered motherhood altogether.

BigPantyGirl · 17/07/2013 19:46

You're really not a bad mother, children are so demanding, my dd was very hard work up until about 3 when she got some independence.
Don't feel bad, it's so hot at the moment and that really doesn't help anyone's mood!
I've got no advice really, just try not to give yourself a hard time. I hope things get better for you...

JamieandtheMagicTorch · 17/07/2013 19:51

God, you are not a shit mother. I used to think about leaving home, having to go into hospital etc when mine were a baby and a toddler.

I was very stressed and what helped me was

Telling my DH that I was at the end of my tether
Having him take them away, out of the house every saturday morning
Having a childminder take the baby one afteernoon a week while the toddler was at playgroup
Seeing a counsellor
Having time away with my DH - why is yours so insistent?
Time - as they get older it gets better

There may be other specific things that others can advise reegarding your toddler - he sounds difficult.

Plus, it's hot and that doesn't help....

ToughTimes · 17/07/2013 19:51

DH helps a lot, when he's home. Mother-in-law will only tolerate having him for an hour or 2 every week (which's still a big help) and he goes to nursery part-time. I just look at other kids his age on play dates, and wonder why he can't be more quiet/content/less clingy. I just don't think I can go on much longer without totally cracking up. I haven't enjoyed any part of his childhood if I'm totally honest cos he's so whingey... That's probably the worst thought I have had. That i have given birth to this innocent beautiful boy, bf him for almost 2 years (which's supposed to bring you closer!), but not really enjoyed any of it. In contrast, I LOVE being with the baby. He's calm, content and independent (even at 7 months). Of course, his independence could come from the fact that all my time is spent appeasing DS1 so no time left for him...

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DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 17/07/2013 19:57

If you can possibly throw money at this problem, do so. Forego a summer holiday, what's a fortnight away compared to 50 weeks of wishing you were away. In lots of instances a two week break is just more of the same in a foreign country with alternative sanitation. Do you have two cars? Sell a car, with the saving on fuel, insurance and tax book some nursery or pay for a CM, get the supermarket to deliver, go out as much as you can on foot, the exercise willhelp them nap.

When DS is home get loads of fresh air, use that energy he has and put it into physical exercise not screaming. Have a break from the baby too, don't fall into the trap of thinking it's just DC1 not DC2.

Did you work pre-children? Any chance of a part-time job? As long as you are with a partner who accepts he has to pitch in and not leave all the childcare and housework to you.

Bluntly if you get to a point where you finish bf and DH still won't entertain the idea of going away with just you, go solo!

Velvetbee · 17/07/2013 19:58

I used to have a little fantasy that I was hit by a car (just a little bit so I could spend a few days in hospital, nothing serious) so I could have some head space. So you're not alone.

On a practical note I found that going out as much as possible kept me sane. Shouty toddlers sound less bad when racing round a park or playing 'See how many times you can run to that tree and back.. oh look there's a squirrel'.

I suspect DS knows you find him hard and it makes him more anxious and difficult. Does he have 1:1 time with you when he feels utterly loved, 10 minutes here and there through the day. It took me literally years to work out that when mine were being a pain they needed more of me not less. Then they could relax and leave me alone.Sometimes I faked it but it did work.
Google love bombing, it might help.

And you're not a bad mum, you're stretched to breaking point.
This too shall pass...this too shall pass...

DfanjoUnchained · 17/07/2013 20:01

Can he go to nursery more?

FridaKarlov · 17/07/2013 20:02

Is there anyone else who can take the kids for a night so you can have a break and get your head together?

3boys3dogshelp · 17/07/2013 20:02

Hi, you don't sound like a shit mum to me, just an honest one! 2 year olds can be hilarious, really entertaining, gorgeous cute little monkeys or really really hard work. I agree with a pp - you sound like you need a break. Wouldanyone have him for a night? (grandparent/sister/dh??) could you put him in nursery a little bit more, even if just for a couple of weeks? Are there any evening classes or gym classes you could try?If not homestart may be able to have a volunteer come round to help you once a week, even if they watched him for an hour while you got jobs done or even just had a bath it might
help you feel a bit more like you.
I promise it gets easier, mine are 3 and 4 now and they seem to get much less frustrated and screamy now they know what they want and can communicate it more effectively. I love my kids but I work part time now too which helps preserve my sanity!!

MorrisZapp · 17/07/2013 20:05

My DS was a normal, fairly chilled baby and I put him in nursery three full days a week when he was six months old. I had to, looking after him was killing me and I just wanted to be back at work.

You're not a bad mother, neither am I. We're all just doing the best we can in trying circumstances.

ToughTimes · 17/07/2013 20:05

I am going back to work 1 day a week in September. But DS is off nursery till then (it's a montessori system so they have a long summer holiday). 2 weeks in, and I'm mentally and physically exhausted. I don't want to complain, I really don't, but I can't see the situation improving. DM today told me to stop 'whinging' and get on with it.

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WhenSheWasBadSheWasHopeful · 17/07/2013 20:10

You're not a shit mum to feel this way at least if you are I'm shit too my dd sounds similar (maybe a bit less of a handful).

It is exhausting the constant demands for attention.

I think velvet has some good advice. I try to go out as much as possible, she's really good at playing with other toddlers. I think the idea of 1 to 1 attention sounds good, I think I might try that. Whatever you do don't beat yourself up, feeling this way is normal.

lessonsintightropes · 17/07/2013 20:12

DM needs to stop judging and start helping :( That's really mean. I understand the long holidays for Montessori schooling, but isn't there another alternative? Even a day per week with a childminder? If it means a calmer and happier you, and that you enjoy each other more when you are together, then I think what the PP suggested about rethinking budget could be a good idea?

smellsofsick · 17/07/2013 20:17

Flaming? No bloody way. You just described my day! Some days are, of course, better than others. The toddler/baby combo is hard (see ALL my previous posts) but I'm told it will get better

In the meantime: Wine

ToughTimes · 17/07/2013 20:19

Thanks for all the helpful advice. However, most of my day is spent 1:1 with DS1! I literally bf the baby, and stick him in his walker, then spend the ENTIRE day doing whatever DS1 wants to do. If I don't, he will shriek until I do. I have read about love bombing. Indeed, in my fervent efforts not to make DS1 jealous, I will even stop bfing the baby midflow if he asks to. I know this is wrong as it gives him the upper hand, but such is my desperation for peace and quiet that I am prepared to go that far. I really don't think I can last till he's 3/4 for it to improve (currently it feels like it never will). But I am looking at some day nurseries in our area that I can put him into for a few afternoons a week for a bit of breathing space.

Isn't it terrible that I feel I have to pass my child onto someone else cos I can't cope? :(

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monicalewinski · 17/07/2013 20:20

It sounds like (I am not an expert in any way) you feel loads of guilt about how you feel about your toddler, compared to your baby. Did you have a difficult time after your eldest was born? I'd see the doc just for a chat about everything - it sometimes helps just to say out loud to someone impartial what you are feeling.

You are not a shit mum, just feeling what many mums with a demanding child feel. Don't beat yourself up, but please speak to someone professional, if only for your own sanity. (It does get easier as they get older, too - honest!).

LaChaiseVerte · 17/07/2013 20:28

You are not a bad mother - you are a mother! I don't know anyone who could categorically say they have not found parts of parenting hard. Having 2 little ones has been the hardest experience of my life, and contrary to my broody dreamings pre-dc, I have not enjoyed large chunks of it. I find the extent of their needs just too intense sometimes. I used to fantasise about a hospital stay too. Things that have helped me:

Being honest about it, talking to dh, dm, hv, friends, neighbours and colleagues about what I find hard or when I feel I'm doing badly - I have received love, support, honesty and insight - and no judgement.

Throwing money at things - at various times we have had a cleaner, sent stuff to the launderette, had an ironing lady, dog walker, window cleaner, and at one point when both dc were poorly endlessly I paid a uni student to come round on her holidays and just get one to sleep for me or play with one while I fed the other. I've used online food shopping, paid for Amazon Prime so that last minute birthday presents etc are possible. DD1 has always gone to cm, nursery, preschool etc.

Doing things to keep me me - I was a member of a book group ages before dc. Now I do everything I can to make meetings and read the book. It's one little thing that I carve out time for that has nothing to do with dc. Quite a few people in the group are not parents and none too interested in dc, so it's a place where I'm known as me, not as Mum. Ditto work, keeping in touch with work while on mat leave, offering to go in (with bf baby) for training or meetings or starting back with KIT days has kept me motivated and helped me feel valued in a different way. Going to work and developing myself in a completely different way, and feeling economically productive is vital for my mental health.

Maintaining my relationship with dh - when communication has faltered due to tiredness or being parents, we have called meetings and tried to discuss how we feel, written lists of what we need from each other and then tried to work out how to provide said things. We've developed systems so that we each get our own time to do what we want to do regularly, and ensure we get a chance to get an early night or a lie in regularly too.

Getting out/joining in - I couldn't have coped on my own - I went to most things that I could at the children's centre, I went to the library for song sessions, I used the leisure centre creche to take them swimming in turn, I look out for open days/fun days/activity days etc. Being with others helped me plough on and felt less pressured than staying at home. DM and DH thought I was weird for getting out all the time when I was exhausted but I knew that was the best option.

Time - mine are getting older and easier everyday. I don't know when it happened, but I suddenly realised I wasn't hating it all the time! It gets better and better, and you realise the intensity is lessening, and now they're going to be going to school and I realise I am going to miss our whole days together!

What Mothers Do was a good book for me, as it made me see I was a good mum by just being. Be kinder to yourself - this too shall pass.

jouli · 17/07/2013 20:28

I feel your pain, Tough Times ! I, also have a 5 month old DS & 2.5 yr DS, who was a v clingy,highly sensitive,needy baby, who never wanted to be put down. He is still a very highly strung kid & went through a crazy tantruming period, when we moved house, a few months back. He seems to be calming a bit, now & he will start nursery a few mornings a week in Sept. I did feel like I was losing the plot for a while there,as, we are new to this area, so, tried to get out to local play groups etc , but every time resulted in DS 1 trying to escape / throwing toys at other kids/ screaming/ generally acting like a total twat & then us all doing the walk of shame past all the good kids & perfect mums !!! So I gave up on that. Now I try to get them out for a run/ walk whenever poss , as it helps us all. I have also gone to a hypnotherapist ( not joking !!) to try & help me to calm down & not loose my rag. I just finished my 3rd (last) session & really hope it helps. You are only human & don't worry about these thoughts- we all have them, you just need a break & your DH needs to realise that & help you get one. Men need it spelling out in neon, flashing letters.

ToughTimes · 17/07/2013 20:29

Thanks monica. I didn't have a particularly awful time, but DS1 had an undiagnosed dairy allergy (unknown to me, when I was still eating dairy and bfing) so he spent most of his first year making a whingy/whiney noise due to the pain.. As I said, I don't think I have pnd as I don't feel down about anything else, just dread spending all days with him when he's not at nursery. Half days I can just about cope with.. But I like the idea of talking it through with someone (and if not GP, as I have a different one each time). Just writing it down, and hearing other people's experiences has really helped so thank you all...

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DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 17/07/2013 20:31

DM today told me to stop 'whinging' and get on with it.

How helpful. Hmm

Didn't realise nursery was over for the summer. I know your DCs are precious and I am not saying hire some random to take care of them but there will be decent, police-checked, highly competent, registered help out there. I do not mean to infer that you can shove them onto someone else and leave them to cope, but if you are wilting under the strain and can afford it, it makes sense to take a step back, have a breather, see how you can better manage.

Otherwise try a sling for baby, when possible get DS1 outdoors, allow yourself head space as soon as the US cavalry DH gets home.

When one DC is placid and easy-going it is hard not to prefer them to one that is high maintenance, vocal, clingy. When DS2 naps, use some time for 1:1 with DS1 even if it's the last thing on earth you want. Otherwise
when you're not restricted by feeding DS2, can you go and see friends? Were you and DH the first in your group to start a family? It can be wearying, being isolated from other people. I know sometimes it's like you have nothing in common with other mothers apart from producing children around the same time. There's a kind of sanity saving fellowship that can be beneficial.

Anyone can make it look they breeze through parenting, who knows how people act behind closed doors. Sometimes children and circumstances really are more challenging, maybe rose-tinted spectacles and an unwillingness to step in and help does stop more experienced hands from taking this seriously. You are not a crap mother if you have identified things are getting you down.

monicalewinski · 17/07/2013 20:45

DonkeysDontRideBicycles made a good point about how people "make it look they breeze through parenting", the people I have worked with over the years would never have known the times I was struggling - (even though it was exhausting for me to put on the front all the time), because I didn't let them know.

Even if you're not 'depressed' as such, you're clearly knackered and need a break. When I was on maternity leave for DS2, I still sent DS1 to nursery every morning for 3 hours, I used that time to go on a LONG walk with the pram and enjoyed the silence; toddlers are demanding, but you can't let them dictate your life, he's pushing boundaries with you which is totally normal.

I'm glad you feel a bit less isolated after posting, it always feels like you're the only one when you're living it - but you're not!

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