To think this calls for a celebration!? - Same-sex marriage to become law by next week!

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I'm actually crying I'm so happy right now!

This calls for a large class of to celebrate!

Golliath - you say that same sex is "unnatural and unintended" - which is little different to saying that homosexuals are unnatural and unintended. That most certainly IS hateful.

However, you're also wrong. Quite a lot of research has been done to show that homosexuality is a successful adaptive evolutionary response. In times when resources are scarce, same-sex relationships keep a check on population growth while at the same time cementing social cohesion.

Given the population crisis on the planet today, you could argue that it would be preferable if more people were homosexual.

This is excellent news!!
On a personal level it's wonderful too as I can now nag DH's second cousin and his long term partner about 'living over the brush' as they did to us before me and DH got married
As an aside how long do we think it will take for it to just be referred to as Marriage without the the Gay prefix? I think it's about time to stop differentiating between the two and just accept a couple marrying for love is no different whether straight or gay. (Of course I accept that there are many people who will never accept that it should be considered the orm).

I'm not sure I'm convinced by that argument BTW anymore than I am about other sexual selection type arguments and evolutionary psychology etc., but I'm using it to show that saying homosexuality is unnatural is a spectacularly ill-informed viewpoint.

I agree there is a population crisis in the world today, how we deal with it is where we differ, you have a point of view as do I, We cant all agree all of the time,

I don't think Goliath necessarily has to be a troll.

I have 2 aunts and 2 uncles (the aunts are siblings) who hold the same views as this. One aunt told me at Christmas that she would never let a gay person into her house, one uncle kicked off hugely when, as teenagers, some of my cousins and I suggested that his dog was gay and another uncle said he would 'line them all up and shoot them'. If any of them had a gay child or grandchild I don't like to think what would happen. Weirldy, apart from this one issue, they are wonderful people - kind, caring, will do anything for anybody, fun to be around etc and we're a really close family. The first time this topic every cam up I was so shocked I cried. I couldn't believe that such nice people could hold those views. But they do. And you'd never know it if it didn't come up. And they aren't even the religious ones, I am!

So, I believe Goliath could be a very genuine, very nice person with this one inexplicable hang up.

Same sex is unnatural? Really? Because there are hundreds of animals, including humans, that exhibit homosexuality, humans are the only animals the exhibit homophobia. I think you homophobia is more unnatural.

But if you really don't like it because it's unnatural, I suggest you get off the internet, out of your clothes, leave your house, your job, your healthcare, your money, and go live in a field somewhere, because look around you, your entire bloody existence is 'unnatural'.

Just out of interest, Golliath, you say you and your family (your son) are bigoted; does that include your parents, grandparents, etc? Are these actually your views you are passing down or are they actually the views of past generations that are being carried down your family line?

You know I disagree with your views, I am just very curious as to how you formed them.

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I have said nothing hateful in my posts

So saying you would be ashamed if your own son was gay isn't hateful?

Why would I be so wrong to have an opinion which I toned down or is that only reserved for the politically correct. Trouble is we now live in a country thats to frightened to say what it thinks in case it offends.

Of course you can have an opinion. But you also need to acknowledge that the world has moved on, and that your views are now culturally unacceptable and also offensive. Being homophobic is no different from being racist. Oh, and it's also illegal.

If you think I sound horrible because I would disband my own if gay

Yes, I do think you sound horrible. And it's 'disown' not 'disband'.

what would you be if you had a child by what ever means and the child had to grow up confused as to which was mum and which was dad

Why on earth would they be confused? They either have two mums or two dads bringing them up. What's the problem with that?

the teasing they would get at school

Why would they get teased? It's much more common these days for children to live with gay parents than it used to be, therefore normal, and not grounds for any teasing.

Its a cruel world and news flash for you all it aint getting any better you just choose to ignore it

Isn't it just, with people like you? Changes to the law like this do make it better. Sadly, people like you are the ones who make it worse.

Your like a group of a well know religion that knocks doors pushing your views on the world to see your way

So you would liken an act that has been passed by parliament to doorstep pushers?! You need to get real and realise that this is a serious and life-changing, cultural change.

If you didnt shout about it then no-one would take any notice and leave you alone, but if you insist on telling the world your preference then dont be supprised when not every one embraise's it and that a few of us still have the get up to tell you so.

It's now law! You don't have to like it - but this is now reality. And ignorant bigots who froth about it have no place in our society.

And your spelling shows your ignorance, too.

Raising a glass for same sex marriage, this is wonderful news!

If you think I sound horrible because I would disband my own if gay.

That doesn't sound horrible, it is horrible.

What would you be if you had a child by what ever means and the child had to grow up confused as to which was mum and which was dad

This is a stupid opinion based on bigotry, every study of children adopted by same-sex parents has found the children they raise are no different to those raised by a heterosexual couple. Stop projecting your bigotry onto children.

and the teasing they would get at school.

Most children don't give a crap about homosexuality until it's taught that it's a bad thing by adults, the same with race and religion. Why on earth would homosexual parents be horrible because a child bullied their child, the fault is with the bully and their bigoted opinion.

Its a cruel world and news flash for you all it aint getting any better

It's a cruel world because of bigots like you, that's for sure, but you're wrong, it is getting better. YOU are on the wrong side of history.

Your like a group of a well know religion that knocks doors pushing your views on the world to see your way.

Nonsense, you're entitled to your views and we are entitled to challenge them.

If you didnt shout about it then no-one would take any notice and leave you alone

Nonsense, again, homosexual have been discriminated against for years, even when people did everything under their power to hide their true nature.

but if you insist on telling the world your preference then dont be supprised when not every one embraise's it and that a few of us still have the get up to tell you so.

Because fighting for equality is the same as telling the word your preference. No-one is asking you to embrace ANYTHING we're asking you to allow people to live the way they want free from discrimination, which doesn't infringe on your rights to do anything. So you can sod off with your poor bigoted martyr routine.

Oh and last thing before I take my daughter to be weighed, you said that sex is about procreation. No it isn't, do some research, sex is about a lot more than making babies. Our closest relatives, the Bonobo chimp, use sex as a way to build relationships and maintain bonds between members of their troop, and le gasp they have lots and lots of HOMOSEXUAL sex too, to do just that.

Try reading a book, love, they're not just decoration.

I am so happy about this news I can't even express it verbally.
I just squeal with happiness randomly when I think about it. I keep getting rather confused looks from my 10 month old.

My last thought before i continue celebrating that gay marriage is now legal is this, its now law, that speaks volumes to me that gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender etc are not as much the minority as people who have old fashioned and immoral views like golliaths. Oh, and I think you will find golliath that many many people on this thread and over the country celebrating this new law are heterosexual. So comments like the homophobic card, poor little me are irrelevant.

I am very proud to be british right now, and I am delighted that gay marriage is now legal. Everyone deserves the right to choose to be married regardless of thier gender.

I look forward to many of my friends and relatives weddings in the future!

you said that sex is about procreation.
and marriage certainly isn't just about procreation - in some cases its not even about sex. Infertile couples can marry. Post-menopausal women are allowed to marry. People with disabilities which mean they can't consummate the marriage, are allowed to marry.

Out of curiosity does anybody know what is going to happen with the consumation law within marriages (marriage isn't currently legall binding until it has been consummated and British law states that consumation is an act only between a man and a woman)?
I haven't heard how the govt is gong to deal with this legal aspect of marriage and i Wouldn't like to see this clause removed because it affords some protection for those forced into unwanted marriages who manage to get out of the marriage without divorce because they haven't consummated it.

Why don't we celebrate that old fashioned fools like Golly are now on the wrong side of the law?
Thats something that we can raise a woop to, I think?

If Goliath wants to have those views then who are we to say that they shouldn't be held. Whether you agree with them or not is irrelevant, and saying she's wrong for having them, when she (presuming the poster is female) belives in them is almost bullying.

OK so the majority on this thread don't share her views, but so what.

Stick to your own joy if you have it and don't pick on someone who expounds a different viewpoint, personally I DGAF whether same sex marriage is legal or not as I don't believe in the institution in any event.

Saying someove is wrong due to thei beliefs is bullying? So Mandela, that giant big bully, shouldn't have said a word about apartheid? Lincoln should have respected the views of the slavers?
Get a grip.

Sorry clearly the word almost is beyond you, well can't say I'm surprised in the context of this thread, and with the Lincoln and Mandela comments you're just being absurd.

I think anyone with any logic or sense would believe that bullying is when one person or a group of people are picked on in an aggressive way by a larger group or bigger stronger person, it's usually over belief or appearance. That's what has started to happen in this thread, if you can't see that I'm surprised, and given the common sense of the majority of posters a little dissapointed.

Fan-fucking-tastic! My sister and best friend will be able to get married soon! (Not to each other). Myself, my partner and our son will be attending my sister's wedding with pride and I wish everyone getting married under this new legislation a lifetime of happiness :)

runningchick - I don't know. Just tried to find out but the Act isn't available online yet.

However, you may like to know that the consummation clause and the "between a man and a woman" clause have only existed since 1973. Prior to that, there was no ban on same-sex marriage. It was de facto legal.

It was homophobia that changed the law, as the 1973 Act was introduced to prevent transgender and same-sex couples from marrying, which was thought to be more likely as the gay rights movement emerged and grew stronger.

Well, if you are going to spout nasty bigoted homophobic views, people are going to retort. Thats not bullying, thats reality. If you can't see that, I'm surprised.