About the Benefits program on BBC1

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It has made my blood boil! Especially that judgmental bitch, Debbie, who was telling the single parent that she shouldn't buy a whole chicken on tax payers' money to feed her children! Then she went all judgy and bitchy because the kids eat two cooked meals a day and she asked if that was really necessary!
I think the world has gone mad!

banks are not being given money. that is not how QE or the bailout works.

Oh please do explain QE to us Faster stronger, I had visions of big beefy blokes with motor bike helmets on coming out the BofE in teams of 400, all with large suitcases.

The truth is and even Merv the Swerve, and Vince Cable have said this in very clear and very open language. The banks were given (Albeit not in the physic le sense) billions of money underwritten by our government to LEND to small business and to us the people in the way of mortgages. Did they do it, did they like as heck. They used it, again as admitted by Merv and Vince to pay bonuses, bolster their accounts, and use as a fire wall to protect THEMSELVES.

Now if you do not like those facts FS that's a shame but do not come here and try and re write history. These are facts they happened it was tax payers money, and this government pissed it against the wall.

Interesting how many times it's brought up about single mums and how much they cost, however not once have I seen it mentioned about the fathers of those babies and making them help to support the baby.

Almost makes you want to find religion, the way some of these mums apparently got pregnant.

Is this weeks programme about the benefits a certain Mrs Windsor and her family receive? Can I go on the programme and suggest she has slightly fewer roast swans for dinner?
What about renaming the programme 'We pay your quantitative easing' and picking over the bonuses of the bankers?
Thought not.
Benefits to the unemployed are peanuts in the scheme of things. Vastly more benefits get paid out to those in work.
Even more is paid out to pensioners (about 15 times as much IIRC).
'We pay your pensions', that I'd like to see.

Some people just cant see the mysogyny behind these attitudes  But at least theres a few of us who can.

You too Leith.

Agrre with DoesBugger too.

We pay your pensions couldnt be filmed because they were all in Spain.

Bogeyface

Actually, my parents were in Italy but lets not split heirs

no, that wasnt a typo!

www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/07/five-things-iain-duncan-smith-doesnt-want-you-know-about-benefit-cap

Where is this house machine that everyone keeps talking about that throws houses at pregnant teens???

I was a teen mother, I lived in with my DM severely disabled Dsis in a very overcrowded house. with carers, my now DH would come round evernight etc.. not mention of a house ever, so people who get it must have a reason.

And yes what about the dads who are rarely around ??? handcream it takes 2 to make a baby.

I though it was good actually, agree 100% on chicken-gate though

as for single mum house machine. I know 3 single teen mums locally, both got council houses by the time their kids were 1.

I felt for both parties, its interesting they chose working people with long hours, tough jobs and fairly low incomes. had it been a richer "professional" they might have been more sympathetic

single Mum lost me a bit, given she is at home all day why does she not tidy house and tidy her garden??? and do some fucking exercise

that said they were brave to allow it

Qe is the govt buying things the banks owns. Its not noting giving them money than the buyer of your car is giving you money. If the govt bought your car, you would have more money to spend - but you would not be richer or have been given anything. The problem with qe is that at about the same time the banks were given a greater requirement to hold cash so its like the gov't buying your car but insisting you increase the amount you keep in your current account.

I agree it does take two to make a baby but I always took my own precautions as opposed to allowing the man to take some responsibility.

The reason being -if something went wrong it would happen to ME....The feckless and irresponsible al la Jermery Kyle dont seem to care.

I think people are being a bit nasty to the single mother,

on the otherhand why did the single working mother parp children out to stick them in a nursery at a very young age so she could do what she wanted?

I'm just playing devils advocate here. but its true.

Yeah I didn't understand why that Lad was getting digged for doing voluntary work, although he does need to stop turning his nose up at jobs.

The pension thing is a puzzle, it is supposedly so large an amount but as far as I understand it our pensioners get small pensions compared to other countries.
The pension bill should fall over the next few years due to the later pension age, I think that means that for a decade or two the number of people retiring will be less than normal, they are having to wait or work longer before they get it.
A couple of years ago I would have got my pension next year, at 60, now I get it at 66 2/3 or thereabouts, so the gov will have a 6+year saving. As this applies to all women born the year that I was that must be quite a difference, then the year after there will be similar number again who would be 60 then etc so quite a saving in all.

why did the single working mother parp children out to stick them in a nursery at a very young age so she could do what she wanted
Well, the point is as she is paying for it she can do what she wants imv. If I am paying for someone to do something ie my taxes, then I can comment on their behaviour and criticise if I want.

But does it benefit the kids she has created?

there is right and wrong on both sides.

I don't agree with that JBM, If I became a sinlge mother on benefits tommorrow my daily doings are no-one's buisness but my own.

To repeat Leith's post from Tuesday, Justin:

It has always been other peoples money. Other people paid for your education, the police who protect you, the maternity pay you may have had, the insurance on your house and possesions. All other peoples money, and all paid to you with out any ideas on who or what you are like.

You live in society that has had social security payments and a integrated welfare system for just shy of 100 years. Many millions have paid in the whole society we live in has been built by this mutual paying in. We are only in danger of being unable to afford this society in the fevered minds of those who wish us to be an entirely different much more self centred society.

1945 we built what we call the welfare state, on less money higher debts, fewer people to pay taxes. Oh and we had an Olympics which were a huge success as well, if things are so dire now, how did we do so much with far less back then.

In summary: Your taxes give you NO right to criticise the way I use my Social Security money, just as mine gave me no right to criticise the way you used your education.

Hold on a minute. If you choose to have children with no visible means of support and rely on benefits then why shouldnt I be able to comment? I have never claimed benefits and am in full time employment and should be for the next 10 years when I will retire.

There is a view that if you claim benefits it is not the right of others to comment on your choices. Of course it is! Where on earth do you think the money is coming from to fund your choices to have children and rely on the state to pay for them.

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It's not as simple as that. The fact that someone lives off the taxpayer doesn't automatically give everyone a right to judge or interfere with personal choices such as what to feed the kids.
Morality as well as pragmatism

Where on earth do you think the money is coming from to fund [you]

You don't get what social security's for, do you? The money comes from the same fund that paid for your education, your vaccinations, your dental treatment, and so forth, when you were growing up and I was paying in. The same fund that paid for your children to have a safe delivery and covers their healthcare now.

This enormous fund exists so that nobody has to starve, or die of preventable diseases and treatable diseases, or live in the street, or go without education and law enforcement.

It exists because a country full of sick, desperate, dispossessed people is unhealthy and unsafe for everyone. And nobody has the right to criticise the way others use what it gives them, because it's collective.

If people's contributions give them the right to demand explanations from the beneficiaries of their contributions - then I demand to know what you did with the education I paid for!

Oh, and I haven't got children. Do I get a fucking refund?!

Do we get different degrees of say in what those who are subbed or funded by The Taxpayer spend their money on then?

Nurses, teachers, MPs, anyone who gets TCs or CB, recipients of state pension, MPs, service personnel, bosses who get away with paying shit wages because their zero hours workforce have to fall back on "handouts" to get by...?

Handcream: I want to comment on every bit of your life, let me start with the fact that you will retire in 10 years time. You should get nothing apart from what you have saved, no state pension, no bus pass, no extra heating, no reduction in council tax or what ever we have. Further more If you have a partner who also gets a pension it should be taxed at the individual rate, not liable for a couples rate.

If you have savings, and or a works pension, you have made provision for yourself so you need no help from the state. If you own a home that should be used to cover ALL expenses from health and social care, I am sorry we just cannot afford to subsidies people who have made working and saving, and home ownership their route in life. Your independence is important to you, so you need nothing from the state.

You will of course be free to use the NHS, council services that are paid for from your local taxation, roads, public servants such as police, fire, army, etc.

We will be happy to help you once all your private resources are expended, we will however subject you to not just a means test just to be sure you are properly impoverished. We will also require you to be seen by a panel of your peers to assess if you have done everything you can to support yourself, and indeed if you are willing to make adjustments to your lifestyle should you have to. The panel will have the last say in your claim, however an appeals procedure by which you will appear on a T.V. show called "Benefit" factor where you can appeal for the public to over rule the panels decision will be possible if you so wish.

May I on behalf of all benefit claimants wish you a long and happy retirement when it comes, we will be here...waiting if you need us.