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to feel upset and let down by "mother's help" leaving abruptly? (long,sorry)

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wellieboots · 11/07/2013 06:45

I have an 8 month old DD and am living in Sydney, Australia. I have found the transition to parenthood with a lack of any practical family support difficult (My ILs live close by but I have posted before about falling out with them and now DH sees them occasionally but that's it). DD had bad reflux (now settling thank God) and I ended up with quite bad pnd by the time she was about 4 months.

When she was about 3 months, I realised I needed some help around the house - DD was barely sleeping in the daytime, and when she was, she was upright on me, she couldn't be put down on the floor to play or anything as she was too unsettled due to reflux. Nothing wsa getting done and it was just a nightmare. My DM suggested that I needed to get a "mother's help" - somebody to come in and help me get some housework done, play with DD, take her for walks so that I could get some tidying done or just some space, little bit of everything really.

Anyway, I got a young (she turned 20 while she was with us) girl who was working as a cleaner two days a week and doing before and after school nannying the other 3 days. She had loads of experience of babysitting and nannying different age groups including babies, lots of kids in her family, and was more than happy to do cleaning, hoovering etc for me as she had cleaning jobs too. Let's call her M.

She came two days a week, for 3 hours each day, and it seemed to work really well. What she did week to week depended on what was happening on the particular day, sometimes she mostly entertained DD, other times DD slept most of the time. It just depended and M seemed happy. DD adored M and she often made references to the future, helping to look after DD if we ever have DC2, etc. We invited her to DD's christening, bought her a birthday pressie, and really thought that she planned to be with us for a while. I was diagnosed with pnd and was very open with her about that and she often took DD out for a walk in the pram to give me some space. I also had a counsellor coming to the house for my pnd and I scheduled those appts for M's work hours so that she could look after DD, take her to the park etc.

It all went wrong 2 weeks ago. We were all unwell with a cold type thing and the first day I suggested that M probably didn't want to come because of that. She agreed and asked me to let her know how I was and whether she should come the next day. So the next morning I said I still had a bit of a sniffle but was feeling much better. I thought that M would then come, tbh we really needed her as the house was a bit of a state because we'd all been ill and doing the absolute bare minimum to get through. M then texted 20 mins before she's supposed to come, saying she was going to stay away in case she caught anything and passed it to other children. I was quite pissed off as it was really late notice and it's not as though the rest of us can avoid going to work in case we catch a cold! I made up my mind to talk to her the following week just to chat about could she give us more notice next time as we rely on her coming, could she let us know for future what her "red lines" were in terms of understanding if she would never consider coming if anyone in the house was ill, etc.

Anyway, last week M came and unfortunately DD was quite unsettled and grumpy due to a tooth coming through. So she didn't have her usual morning nap. I was hoping that she would have been asleep when M arrived so that I could get the chat out of the way. But it wasn't happening. I was also feeling quite low from a pnd perspective and that didn't help eihter. DD was grumpy and I got more and more stressed that I wasn't going to get the chance to have the chat about the previous week. Then M started saying DD was tired (she'd only been up an hour so I wouldn't normally have put her back to bed for another while). I felt under pressure so I spent the next 25 minutes in the bedroom trying to settle DD and it didn't work. I realised at this point I still havdn't had breakfast, it was 11.30 and I really needed to eat so I put DD in the lounge and went into the kitchen, explaining to M that I had tried to settle her and was now feeling woozy as I hasn't eaten, so I needed to eat before I did anything else. She made a comment about DD not going to sleep and laughed. I didn't understand the comment and asked her what she meant and why she was laughing. I then saw red and said something along the lines of - for goodness sake I tried my best, she didn't want to go to sleep, I was making myself ill, I have to eat! I didn't speak to her after that because I realised then that I was feeling very down and not coping so I called DH and he came home and I went to bed for an hour. He chatted to M about the events of the previous week before she left, she said that illness wasn't normally a problem but she had wanted to go to a family party that weekend so hadn't wanted to be sick or make anyone there sick. She also offered to do extra hours for us.

She tried to text me that evening but it didn't come through as the text was too long, then she didn't turn up the next day. I texted when she was about 20 mins late then again later in the day to say I was really worried about her and could she let me know she was OK. She then resnet the text from the previous evening which basically said - after today I can't work with you any more, I have never been anything other than supportive, compassionate and understanding, how could you possibly think I could question your parenting, I have done so much for you, I bough Abigail a present, I bought you flowers. You have no right to speak to me like that. I am sorry I let you down last week.

So then when I hadn't replied to the text (becasue I hadn't received it) she just didn't turn up. I took a couple of days to reply as I was really upset. The fact that I had snapped at her on Thursday was because I was exhausted and hadn't eaten, had raging pnd, and a baby who was desperately trying to sleep and cut teeth and was very grumpy about the world! It wasn't because I was mad with her about the previous week! I asked her if she was prepared to come and discuss it with me and allow me to apologise in person. I did apologise for snapping at her and explained that it was because I was feeling down and I had always been honest with her about my pnd. She eventually replied a week later, accepted the apology but said she was now looking for corporate jobs and that it wouldn't be fair to us Confused to come back and then leave again.

I've accepted that she's not coming back but AIBU to feel hurt and upset that I"ve invited someone into my home and my family at a vulnerable time and that they've let me down (no notice, has been paid for hours she hasn't done, making it sound as though I was just nasty to her because of the previous week) and are now treating me like an idiot - it wouldn't be fair to you to come back, offering extra hours and then suddenly she's decided to change career and can't possibly ever come back. DD adores her and I can't believe that she just was literally here one day and gone the next and has refused even to come over and talk to me about it. I now don't want to get someone else because I'm not sure I could trust someone in case the same thing happened. For making a big deal in the original message about buying DD a christening gift and buying me flowers when I had an exam and how supportive she's been blah blah, she's now showing herself to be completely unsupportive by just disappearing!I know I am emotional about this and A very possibly BU, but is this normal?!

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expatinscotland · 11/07/2013 11:43

What is there to talk about, either. Now you say she criticised you often and you are relieved she's gone. Sounds like you are sore that she bailed on you rather than its being in your control. Honestly, try to work on your health before hiring anyone to work in your home or you will likely not be able to keep anyone in your employ for long.

MayTheOddsBeEverInYourFavour · 11/07/2013 11:44

I think you treated her badly and that's why she left, she even explained to you why- so she didn't just not turn up one day

It sounds as though it might all be for the best though anyway if you weren't entirely comfortable with her there

Wibblypiglikesbananas · 11/07/2013 11:55

It sounds like you are in a very stressful situation right now and I really hope this improves for you. However, as others have said, this was just a casual job - 6 hours a week is nothing in the whole scheme of life. Unless you were paying this woman top whack as a full time nanny with a fab package to go with it, it's hardly a surprise that she's moved on to better things, especially given the discussions and so on that appear to have gone on.

I think you're trying to justify your rudeness to her by making out that 'young' people are flighty and can't commit to jobs. Except that given what you've said, she did tell you she was leaving, she'd always been a reliable employee up until you snapped at her and was great with children, given her previous experience.

Just chalk it up to experience and move on. Good luck sorting things out.

valiumredhead · 11/07/2013 12:16

I agree with eyes and Mrsjay

whois · 11/07/2013 12:45

Agree with pretty much all the the posters, OP the girl was young and didnt want to work for you any more so quit. Totally fair enough.

You are way way way too involved, and your depression is making this all seem worse than it is. I'm sure your counselled can help you work thru this.

Get a cleaner, and someone else to look after DD. don't talk to them about all your problems, I can guarantee they don't want to hear it. Save that for the counseller who is paid for that!

whois · 11/07/2013 12:51

This view point:

To those who have said the relationship had broken down, yes, I think you are right. I just would have preferred if she had come the next day and we had talked about it and I could have apologised in person

Is extremely funny. She was in casual employ and didnt have any ishooooos to sort out. You do. She didnt want to work any more, she told you so. She has nothing to talk about it, her problem (working for you) is solved.

Pancakeflipper · 11/07/2013 13:13

I think she sensibly realized she was out of her depth working in your household. It really does sound intense and I know work isn't meant to fun and giggles but it sounds like going around on egg shells with her not making you happy.

Getting shouted when you are in your late teens early 20's by your employer in their home is probably just the end of line for her.

It didn't work, stop blaming her, stop blaming you and move on and I hope your family life improves.

wellieboots · 11/07/2013 13:22

In no way am I trying to justify my rudeness. I know that that was wrong and I apologised for it. And I massively regret it and that it has had these consequences. I have already said that upthread.

And as for her being able to sense things between me and DH, I may be naive but given that he's normally at work when she's here and she's only met him a few times, I would be really surprised if she thought anything about him.

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Pancakeflipper · 11/07/2013 13:25

Perhaps the conversation she had with your DH regarding her attitude to sickness made an impression on her that this was a tense household?

valiumredhead · 11/07/2013 13:27

I'd be very surprised if she didn't pick up on things, very unusual to come into someone's house and not pick up on the mood regardless of whether she sees your Dh or not.

Sparklysilversequins · 11/07/2013 13:39

This thread is annoying me. I understand things are difficult for you OP but if that was my dd you "snapped" at I wouldn't have let her come back to work for you. What right have you to do that to a young girl who as you say yourself had been fab up to now? My thoughts are that she was probably picking up on tension in the household and it was making her not enjoy her work as much as previously, when you asked her to stay off for the day I imagine she was relieved and got to thinking that actually she didn't much want to come back.

I think you sound very intense and the trouble with "snapping" at people is it tends to become a habit if they let you get away with it. She didnt did she, I think she sounds like she has strong boundaries and didn't want to put up with any crap.

You just keep making constant excuses for what you did and I think that you seem to be a very black and white person who has great difficulty empathising with others and you take things far too personally, it could be depression or it could be your personality, if the latter, you really need to work on that.

I do think its best you don't employ anyone else as you seem yo have ridiculously high expectations. You'll need to work on that before dd's teenage years hit!

wellieboots · 11/07/2013 13:44

And I have also already said, I did not talk to her about all my problems. I told her that I had pnd as I thought that was only fair, but I didn't discuss my pnd with her at all. She knew about it and she knew when the counsellor was coming so that she could take DD out. That was it.

She asked about the ILs situation because she found it incredible that we had family living close by and they didn't want to know DD. She spent more time telling me about how she was jealous of the neighbours 15 month old because her DM looked after her all the time and she never got to see herHmm . so it wasn't a one way street.

I am probably being very simplistic and naive, but I just wanted the chance to apologise in person. That may be old fashioned but I feel terrible that she was a great girl and a good worker (yes ok she was a bit frustrating sometimes but everyone has their faults) and in my world I would have appreciated the chance to apologise in person and thank her for what she had done up to then. But I know we don't always get what we want, especially when we have done a bad thing.

So rather than hauling myself over the coals, I am going to forgive myself for being a total idiot, make a plan to get a cleaner and/or some childcare outside the house, and work on continuing to get better and make sure I don't alienate friends and family.

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kali110 · 11/07/2013 13:45

I feel fior you. I have depression and have good and bad days . Im nearly 30 even though you didnt mean to snap i wouldnt have felt comfortable working for you after that. If you were that sick then she must have thought you were really unwell so she didnt want to get ill if she was with family at the weekend. She was probably under a lit of strain as sounds like you were close if you had said that too me then i would have been really hurt aswell. Her confidence may have been knocked by the sounds of it toi. You could allways try and apologise again, if anything it may make you feel better also.

valiumredhead · 11/07/2013 13:48

Why don't you send her a card OP, apologise for snapping and tell her you'd be more than happy to give her a glowing reference?

Gobbolinothewitchscat · 11/07/2013 13:48

Well - if you think it would help you, why don't you send her a nice card saying thank you very much for all if her help. There's no hard feelings on your part, sorry for any upset caused - it was entirely unintentional - and she is always welcome to pop in and see DD. you could even stick in some money too and say that's in lieu of a leaving pressie

Pancakeflipper · 11/07/2013 13:48

You could send a card saying you are sorry it didn't work out and wishing her well for the future.

Gobbolinothewitchscat · 11/07/2013 13:48

X-post with valium!

Gobbolinothewitchscat · 11/07/2013 13:49

And pancake! You deffo need to send a card now!

bunchamunchycrunchycarrots · 11/07/2013 13:50

OP I agree with others who say the situation outlined in your other thread does have some bearing on this situation. You have, it seems, poor boundaries in terms of what you will personally endure in treatment from others. You seem to also think that your poor treatment of M should be tolerated, or at least easily resolved by way of an apology on your part. I don't think M has behave immaturely or unprofessionally, and actually admire her for bring able to make a decision to simply not put up with such treatment no matter what the excuse, or how sincere the apology might be. You should really consider your own boundaries, both in terms of what you will endure, and how you treat others.

FWIW I don't think you are a 'bad' person, and sympathise that you are in a difficult situation which is very stressful. But the bottom line is that it should never be acceptable to treat people that way.

mrsshackleton · 12/07/2013 11:10

I feel for you, a nanny who was my ultimate bedrock left when I'd just had dd2 by C section, long story but it was all about bad communication - anyway, I felt let down. However others are right, you need to step back from the situation. You also need to remember what a wise friend told me, never expect anyone who helps with childcare to stay forever and be philosophical about that. They have their lives to lead, irrespective of yours.

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