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WIBU to reply to this clearly sexist fb post from a woman?!?

99 replies

SweetHoneyBeeeeee · 08/07/2013 20:53

Fact - it's Easier to work with Men than Women! Men are simple when it comes to decision making, women on the other hand are intimated so they hate you, need constant gratification, if your confident they hate you, if you take the well earned limelight women hate you! Always worked in all male dominated offices for a reason! #alphabitch #fuckthesisterhood #malebrain Shock Angry

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JerseySpud · 08/07/2013 22:28

Is she called Samantha Brick?

complexnumber · 08/07/2013 22:33

Please do not reply with insults such have been suggested, viz "Do you think maybe women hate you because you're, you know, a fucking bitch as opposed to so fucking excellent at your job?"

They do not really further an informed discussion.

Ad hominem and all that

Sheshelob · 08/07/2013 22:36

Ooh. Latin!

How would you suggest responding, complex?

SweetHoneyBeeeeee · 08/07/2013 22:39

See my reply upthread complex...no need to worry, ranting at stupidity in private is ok but publicly a rationale argument is more powerful. She is a dick though, yah? Grin

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kickassangel · 08/07/2013 23:08

Hmm, tricky.

It is fairly obvious that men and women have different experiences growing up, and that will shape who they are, so that the stereotypes can emerge.

BUT that doesn't mean we should dismiss all people from one group (e.g. men) because of that.

Personally, I find it easier, in general to work with women, as the men in my field are often the top dogs, and seem to think it in their job description to oh so subtly and without stepping over the borders, make it clear that the men are running the show for the women. I don't get ignored as much, or promoted as little, when women are in charge. In fact, I have ONLY ever been promoted when women had more of the say, and NEVER been promoted when men have held the majority.

So I think it's OK that I prefer working with women. But I would never go on fb and do an 'all men are nobs' type thing.

Maybe I should.

WilsonFrickett · 08/07/2013 23:23

See, I blame the patriarchy. But then, I would, wouldn't I? I have had some terrible, terrible experiences with women in the workplace, but they were all in an organisation with a terrible culture, which was completely male dominated, with 'alpha male' qualities prized above all things. So all managers tried to turn themselves in to carbon copies of the CEO, even if they were women.

But I don't think they were bad managers because they were women. They were bad managers because they were trying to succeed in a rotten culture.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 08/07/2013 23:32

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DoJo · 08/07/2013 23:55

I think women, sadly, view themselves as 'cool' if they get on better with men - they believe they are subverting stereotypes, whereas actually they are just defining their relationships by gender rather than looking at what the real points of shared interest are with their friends and colleagues. It's a shame that any woman should feel that she can judge every woman by her own standards, because that is what this woman is doing - she clearly feels as though other women have an agenda, presumably because she does herself - and that because she is a woman it's not just ok to do so, but factually correct.
OP - I hope she gives some thought to what you posted, but she has probably just consigned you to the mass of 'women who she can't get on with because of their own issues'. Interesting that women agreed - surely they should all be able to work with each other in that case, so do they really believe that they are all so unique and special that they all need their own harem of men to work with?

DoJo · 09/07/2013 00:01

Sorry - that should say 'some women view themselves' etc - can't believe I just made a typo that was pretty much the epitome of what I was arguing against!

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 09/07/2013 00:02

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AllegraLilac · 09/07/2013 00:04

I know why she posted that!

She's a bitch.

WilsonFrickett · 09/07/2013 00:09

Indeed Buffy and I accept I was probably guilty of that. As indeed fb poster may be. It's hard not to hold women to a higher standard because well, we hold ourselves to a higher standard.

It hurts more when women are shit. It shouldn't, but it does. And where that is incredibly dangerous is that we then don't look beyond our hurt feelings, to see what the real (structural/patriarchal) reasons are for the behaviour.

mercury7 · 09/07/2013 01:02

She's not intelligent enough to appreciate how dumb she soundsWink

Seriously why would you even waste your time engaging with someone who spouts that sort of nonsense.

It's just thinly veiled 'men are from mars women are from venus' evolutionary psychology tosh

minouminou · 09/07/2013 07:33

Well done for colluding in your own oppression, FB bint.

FasterStronger · 09/07/2013 09:55

I have worked with men who display all the characteristics listed in the OP as female.

but society like to attribute them to women. and likes women to attribute them to other women.

so its not surprising we do.

if a man had made the same type of post about men, he would unlikely have met the same generally positive response, so men don't.

OctopusPete8 · 09/07/2013 10:00

That is actually hilarious, what is 'intimated' sounds like a strange kind of sexual harassment.
in this case I would fight crazy with crazy, and sort of agree in a very passive aggressive mocking kind of way.

mercury7 · 09/07/2013 10:41

Pete I suppose it might be 'fun' to bait her for your own amusment?
She just sounds like a ranty daily mail reader to me

OctopusPete8 · 09/07/2013 10:48

I can be a good way to challenge someone,

HouseAtreides · 09/07/2013 10:51

Everyone knows it's dangerous to have women in an office- their menstruation attracts bears!!

TheSmallPrint · 09/07/2013 11:05

So if anecdote is fact can I say that I am a female construction professional and can guarantee that men can be extremely bitchy! The people I found easier to work with in my office were women because they actually listened to me, did what was asked with excuses and absolutely worked harder than the men - maybe trying to prove their worth in a male environment? Only one was difficult andthat was the bosses wife who was the archetypal bosses wife! The people hardest to deal with were older men who really thought they knew everything and hated being told what to do by a younger female.

TheSmallPrint · 09/07/2013 11:06

*without excuses!

OctopusPete8 · 09/07/2013 11:09

Haha houses!! Grin

LaLaLeni · 09/07/2013 12:31

Since when does having a vagina 'earn you the right' to bash women? Unless you somehow earned your vagina, which would make a nonsense of any argument.

Sheshelob · 09/07/2013 12:41

Didn't you do the vagina assault course, LaLa? You earn your vagina like paratroopers earn their wings.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 09/07/2013 12:45

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