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To think you can't judge a child by their name??

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SaveWaterDrinkMalibu · 04/07/2013 21:45

Would you judge a child by their first name?

Katie Hopkins on this morning was saying how she judged the children her children play with by their names.

There's a YouTube video but can't link it

OP posts:
Zynnia · 05/07/2013 12:29

I feel I need to ask for absolution here too. Any comments on the name board have been for potentially bad naming decisions, the naming of as yet unborn children. I would never judge the children, but yet, it might have seemed like I was judgemental. It was the knowledge that YES there really are people like KP out there that makes me want to say hmm, what about Elizabeth? to people considering Taylor/Tyler/Tayden/Jayden

I read through a list of mayflower sur names once and they're all really ugly! What appeals to American ear is a name that sounds crusty and old and weird and sounds kind of mayflower-ish without actually being one of those names because they are all terrible.

Zynnia · 05/07/2013 12:31

Isabella is hardly working class! nor is Conor (when spelled correctly, as it is from an ancient legend). Kayden, ok, i'll give you that one!

Zynnia · 05/07/2013 12:33

what I mean is, Isabella is hardly a choice typical of a lower class. It's a bit too frilly. Not to my taste but it's definitely a mass appeal name.

DancesWithWoolEnPointe · 05/07/2013 12:34

I would probably too Sunnymeg - just as you would probably assume I was of Belgian/Dutch ancestry if you saw my surname, which I'm not either. But that doesn't bother me, I just correct people.

And let me be the one to get in it: But nothing about WithWoolEnPointe sounds Flemish!

anklebitersmum · 05/07/2013 12:38

I judge. I do. I judge those parents who are so insecure and self centred that they have to give their children god awful names that just scream nouveau rich and then control who the poor little mites socialise with.
God awful, toffee nosed, self absorbed muppets whose children grow up believing that the local council estate is a rough as it gets in life and you can tell who's intelligent, honest and caring based solely on Prada and postcodes.

anklebitersmum · 05/07/2013 12:45

sorry..premature posting Blush

I have never judged a child by their name but I have been known to judge the odd Mother on her affect Wink

Zynnia · 05/07/2013 12:51

Anklebitersmum+1

OddBodd · 05/07/2013 12:54

Like many of you, I'd never judge a CHILD on their name but I may think some parents have different taste to mine and that's OK. Wouldn't it be awful if all boys were called John and all girls were called Rose. We need Jaydens and Chardonnays otherwise we'd all be calling our kids the same thing!

I personally prefer classic names. DS1 is Joseph and I love his name and have never received anything but nice comments about it. DS2 is Rowan which often receives mixed responses. I don't care whether people judge me for the names I chose for them but for God's sake don't judge the children!

I must admit to sometimes feeling sorry for the children when I hear really bizzare names being called accross the play ground. I once met a Lord-Triumphant, I mean wtf??? That's a kid who'll be changing his name on his 18th birthday. I wouldn't judge him on it or not let my child be friends with him though, that is utterly ridiculous and completely snobby and unreasonable.

tanukiton · 05/07/2013 13:18

Sigh.. The script is
1: what,s their name?
2 :nehwuhh
1:ahh how lovely. end
When people ask my son his name and they look all quizzical. I tell them that it is Japanese for open/ broaden your mind. There isn,t the English equivalent :)

farmersdaughter · 05/07/2013 13:38

Katie Hopkins should remember she was photographed naked having sex in a field with a married man, whist married to someone else.

Those in glass house, shouldn't throw stones esp about 'judging' people or children. Personally in my view, she doesn't know how to behave!

Would love to be at the school gate later Grin

Juniperdewdropofbrandy · 05/07/2013 13:39

KH is bonkers. She'd never remember or listen to anyone. So deluded it's unreal.

sherbetpips · 05/07/2013 13:41

Have to admit I am a bit judgy - I fint it odd, especially white families who give there kids trendy ethnic names. Always a surprise when you have them round for tea and they are a little white blonde haired boy!

LucasMummy2012 · 05/07/2013 13:44

I agree with Pom Bear, certain names do seem to go with certain families, or types of people. My husband is a prosecutor and he always says the same names come into court time and time again. He doesn't seem to come across many Henrys or Hugos.

And funnily enough when our son was bitten at nursery a few weeks ago, one of 'those' names cropped up again as the offender.

It's hard to judge the person, but the parents decide the name and decide the values to instill in their child and the behaviour they expect so i can see where the prejudices come from.

LilyBolero · 05/07/2013 13:45

The Queens grand-daughter-in-law is called Autumn, and her great grand daughter is called Savannah.

Chavs the lot of them. Wink

SonorousBip · 05/07/2013 13:56

Well DS told me that he went to his music exam last weekend at another school and while he was waiting there he saw a row of pegs, with names on stickers underneath each peg, and the pegs all said things like "Sam G", Charlotte H" etc and then in the middle was one that said "Tintin L".

Ds was actually most tickled by Tintin also having the initial of his surname, as at his school you only do that when there are two of you in the same class.

I do judge people who call their child Tintin, actually.

Hasitfallendownagain · 05/07/2013 14:03

I think it's quite normal to have some pre-conceptions/ a picture in your head of what someone might be like based on their name before you meet them. Then you get to know them, and it's just their name.

I remember once I was going to be working with someone called Margaret - I assumed beforehand that she'd be middle aged; turned out to be in her early 20s. If she'd been called something like Laura, or Louise, I'd have assumed she would be my age.

It's natural to try and imagine a bit what someone is going to be like, and when you only have their name to go on, then you might well end up stereotyping a bit... I'm sure lots of people do it.

If you've met someone and are still stereotyping or judging them due to their name, rather than what you can actually see they are like as a person, then you're a bit of a twat imo.

ivykaty44 · 05/07/2013 14:06

I hope the name Katie doesn't get judged in a negative light after this Sad

JRmumma · 05/07/2013 14:31

I think there is a difference between making an initial judgement on a name, and allowing it to be a deciding factor in whether you allow yourself/your children to associate with that person.

Being completely honest there are names that, as KH said on that clip, when shouted out across the playground/supermarket, conjure up images of mothers of the same ilk as Waynetta Slob (sorry, but its true), however taking that image and deciding that whether or not your child is ALLOWED to be friends with that child is appalling. Just because a mother is a Waynetta-type, doesnt mean that you should stop your child from associating with the child. You might want to keep after school play dates in your house rather than letting your child go to their house if you have concerns abut the environment, but thats a seperate issue.

revealall · 05/07/2013 14:33

I don't believe she meant it though. Judging by her website that promotes her as a social commentator she's just out for a buck.

As a parent she must also have met the children with ordinary names who turn out to be not so nice.

I don't believe for instance that her party invitations are sent out based on names. We all know classroom politics have as much influence as whether the child is a real friend of the child in question or not.

mumofthemonsters808 · 05/07/2013 14:41

If my children liked a certain child I would not give a damn what he or she were called. They would be made welcome at our home regardless of my fondness for their name. Once I had met the child I would then make a judgment, their parents socio economic background would also be of no interest to me whatsoever.

Names are individual's choices, what one person loathes another will adore. The only comment I have ever made regarding someone's name is when I have never heard it before and I am unsure how to pronounce it.

Detest Kate Hopkins and wonder why this woman is given airtime.

ivykaty44 · 05/07/2013 14:44

The only way that KH can get airtime is by acting in an outrageous manner - that way people will watch to see what outrageous statements and views she will spout next.

SVN · 05/07/2013 15:02

I think it's inevitable to form opinions about children's parents/ families based upon the name they have been given. However, I think to use this as a basis to select your children's friends or to use this as an opportunity to look down or others is quite shocking and pretty disgusting behaviour. Shame on her.

MissBetseyTrotwood · 05/07/2013 15:07

Think I might change my DCs names to T'Shaine or Tyler or something so they never, ever have to mix with KH or any of her progeny. What a vacuous barrel scraper she is.

tablefor4 · 05/07/2013 15:17

Anyone named Kai is on a hiding to nothing for the rest of their life, imo.

Apart from the Kai at DDs' nursery who is the son of a Japanese couple born a year or so ahead of the Rooney baby. I suspect a lot of eye-rolling went on in their house when it was announced.

johnworf · 05/07/2013 15:27

Just seen the This Morning interview. I now want to kill her. Angry

www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/jul/05/katie-hopkins-apprentice-candidate-rent-a-gob?CMP=twt_fd

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