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AIBU or is she being as manipulative and scheming as I think she is.

123 replies

Giraffinalaugh · 29/06/2013 00:48

And if so what do I do?

DP and I have a 3, nearly four week old son. His mum lives in the same road and I did make a point of saying to her when we got home to pop in whenever, which so far has been about twice a week for 5 or 10 minutes and doesn't really pay so much attention to the baby. She doesn't always hold him or seem that fussed by him (when I found out I was pregnant she said she was shocked because I'm not maternal, but she doesn't seem that bothered with him really).

Getting to the point, she spends the time when she is here telling me, not suggesting.. Actually insisting on everything I'm doing wrong in her eyes. She came up twice this week and on both occasions told me the room was far too hot because the gro egg room thermometer was orange and about 21 or 22 degrees. Using my common sense straight away I checked the back of his neck when she mentioned it and he felt neither hot or cold to me so I thought nothing of it. Would have opened a window or taken his blanket off if he was warm, but when he was born he was in Scbu because he was so cold so regardless of room temp I'm more bothered about his temp.
He's also significantly tounge tied and until he has it snipped we have been using bottles, she made a point of telling me that if he's struggling to feed I'm probably holding the bottles wrong. And that she has never heard of a baby being unsettled and crying for hours (this has only happened once so far and I know it was down to the tounge tie and wind, there was a midwife here at the time who wasn't concerned) but she is really really concerned because babies just don't do that and she's never heard of it.
I was having a nap yesterday and I woke up to her screaming at DP in the hall (well I've raised kids, I know!!!) and then slammed my front door almost off its hinges. Is it me or is this just not normal behaviour?

She also takes issue with the fact that I have spent the last three weeks sleeping on the couch with him in the Moses basket next to me.. It works for me for now as one of the windows in our room is jammed and it gets very hot in there sometimes, I've had a c section and its just easier for me staying downstairs close to the kitchen and with all if his stuff in one room than being upstairs and cgoing up and down all night. I'd rather save my energy for getting out for nice walks with him in the day. But I'm wrong and I can't give him a proper bedtime routine if I'm not carrying him up the stairs at three weeks old.

The shit hit the fan yesterday when after a series of texts saying how concerned and worried about him she was.. She sent this beauty.. Nt to me though but to DP behind my back

"Hi, how is baby this morning. I am working close by today if giraffe needs me so tell her to ring me if she needs someone. I am really worried about how she sits in the front room when it's hot and doesn't seem to look at the temp egg, you need to keep the door open to keep some air flowing. I wonder sometimes if she does it deliberately. Please make sure she opens windows. I know I go on but I think it's because she either doesn't want advice or doesn't listen to it and baby is very precious and needs proper care xxx"

I confronted her about the txt last night, her only defence was that it is a private txt and none of my business. My issue is that she never bothered touching baby to see if he was hot or cold, yet is so so worried by the temp on a gro egg that she can insinuate I would neglect my child. When I confronted her about this she said that she has raised babies and she knows and then started literally screaming "cot death, giraffe, cot death!!!" I my face like I was stupid. I spent four years training as a nurse, I can gage a temp for gods sake.

I wonder how you can be not worried enough to reach in and check baby, yet worried enough to tell my DP things like that behind my back.. It doesn't feel genuine to me, it feels really manipulitive, like she is interfering and trying to break us up or see me fail or something. She's very bitter in general and always slating some one but to cause all of this over something so trivial.
Understandably I was very angry but couldn't even justify myself as a parent as she was standing there smirking and rolling her eyes saying to DP "see, look what she's like, see you weren't raised to be a drama queen like that" all very patronising and school playground behaviour. I ended up walking out and telling her if she didn't change then she wouldn't see me or baby again. It's out DP in a horrible position but I feel like I have to make a stand. I know this was really long winded but what would you lot be doing? She doesn't have a lot of friends and doesn't speak to a lot of family other than her daughters and just poisons people against each other, I don't want it to spoil these early days for us and really don't want ds hearing it all. Wwyd???

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WinkyWinkola · 29/06/2013 08:41

It's a great shame that the op will probably look back at her first baby's first weeks and remember them as soured by her mil's lack of support and negativity.

I know I will not forget my mil and how she behaved at the same time.

Some people just have to make events all about themselves. I find it unbelievable. And detestable.

pianodoodle · 29/06/2013 08:42

A lot of recent threads have made me question how intolerant I may be as a person I'm a bit worried!

I wouldn't be able to smile and nod at someone who screams in my house and slams doors.

It's so unreasonable and selfish on its own never mind with you having a new baby!

I just couldn't tolerate it and I'd be telling her she's no longer welcome unless she can sort her behaviour out. Far too stressful.

rockybalboa · 29/06/2013 08:47

I think there's more to this MIL issue than unwanted advice about how warm the room should be. Texting the day after your grandchild is born with concerns about the name is NOT normal, nor is screeching at DIL's own mother in the street. The room temp and feeding issues just sound like the tip of the iceberg, this is not how normal people behave. I'd make a list of all of the weird stuff, discuss with DP (hoping that he doesn't turn suddenly blind to it all) and work out a strategy for keeping her away unless/until she can learn to behave like a normal human being. Good luck OP!

Cherriesarelovely · 29/06/2013 08:49

She is a bully and she is every bit as scheming as you imagine. Agree with everyone else you have to be extremely blunt and firm with her.

nkf · 29/06/2013 08:50

She sounds like a loon. Poor you. The threat to stop her seeing baby was a bit ott but you had been goaded beyond belief.

Wait a bit. Try to enjoy your lovely new baby (congratulations by the way.) She will probably calm down.

34DD · 29/06/2013 08:53

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LEMisdisappointed · 29/06/2013 08:56

Lose the gro egg -sorted!

Tequilatequila · 29/06/2013 08:57

Chocolate bridesmaid.. did i hell change his name. Itd his name and its lovely, normal yet unusual. I dont know why you woukd send a horrible text if she wasnt trying to spoil it for us and get us to change it.

Pigsmummy · 29/06/2013 08:59

Be calm and don't rise to it. The temperature thing can be resolved by you explaining that you checked the babies temperature and it is fine, keeping windows open in this muggy weather is a good thing. You can also say that the room temperature is a guide and the most important thing is the baby temperature, (that how my mid wife explained it).

Don't react to her, your husband will just be caught in the middle otherwise, just think of the fantastic baby sitting opportunities in the future!

My MIL criticised me for bringing baby downstairs to feed in the night, also the baby kit clutter in the lounge I calmly told her that it was because she was staying and if it was a problem she could vacate the spare room so I could stay upstairs and let me get on with it.

PeazlyPops · 29/06/2013 09:06

She sounds awful!

Re the gro egg, ours is always orange, it's just how warm our house is! It's more about dressing the baby for the temp than trying to keep the baby in a 16-20c room.

Sleeping on the sofa is fine if baby is in the Moses basket... And don't worry about a routine at this stage! We didn't get DS into a routine until he was around 6 months, it didnt cause any issues.

You sound like you are doing a great job.

Pigsmummy · 29/06/2013 09:07

I love the idea of filming MIL mid rant, I might do that to my crazy sister. do it!

As for the issue of traffic noise etc what I do is is open the window in the room opposite for a while (or all eveong) and then open the baby room door, if it's night time the room cools very quickly and babies window isn't opened. I might get a fan to help at some point.

fengirl1 · 29/06/2013 09:18

Why is everyone telling OP how to ventilate her house?
My advice is not to answer the door to her when you're alone. If she comes when DH is there and starts to channel 'the loon', turn to him and say 'What do you think?'

Pigsmummy · 29/06/2013 09:23

My suggestion about the window opening was in response to Calamity's comments about traffic noise.

Whocansay · 29/06/2013 09:35

Your MIL is behaving badly, but she does have a point. Babies should be kept cool rather than hot if possible. And overheating is linked to cot death.

Maybe she actually is concerned. You sound as if you don't like her much anyway.

weisswusrt · 29/06/2013 09:43

I'd use this to my advantage. Get DH to see that she disagrees with modern safety guidelines for babies, and as such can't be trusted to babysit. Ever. Each time she splutters her insane garbage at you, share a knowing look with your dp about how she still isn't ready to be trusted.

Tequilatequila · 29/06/2013 09:57

Whocansay...ive always liked her before and defended her and made an effort.. unfortunately.

I do know how to ventilate my house. The widndows are open most days but it had been cooler earlier so had closed it.

Im annoyed that shes caused all this and called me neglectful when i was relying on checking his body temp by feeling the back of his neck.. and clothes and layers ect.. he was fine!
Shes slandered me on the basis of a room temp.. but at the time she wasnt worried ebough to check baby.

Sallystyle · 29/06/2013 09:58

My MIL was similar, it ended badly, with us not seeing her unless she is picking up the Gchildren.

If I could go back in time I would have nipped it in the bud from day one but we didn't and it got out of hand, the resentment just bubbled away and now my husband sees his parents just to say hello when they pick up the kids. It sucks.

My husband took ages to realise how out of line she was, simply because he grew up with it and it was just normal for him, as a result he didn't set proper boundaries and when I was alone with her I was too scared of her to do it myself as well. Obviously your husband should be the one to tell her to back off but and it sounds so simple doesn't it? well it wasn't for mine.

I really feel for you both :(

I wish I dealt with it the way poppin said above, I just ended up giving into her and let her make me feel inferior.

Sallystyle · 29/06/2013 10:01

Whocansay, she doesn't have a point. OP is sensible enough to make her own decisions on the temp of the room.

Even if she was concerned how she went about it is not on. Sounds like she doesn't like her anyway? who could possibly like someone who has it in them to be so mean?

StayAwayFromTheEdge · 29/06/2013 10:07

She sounds like hard work - And I am another saying "get rid of the egg", you really don't need it.

Emilythornesbff · 29/06/2013 10:07

Goodness. I have to agree (reading more) that her behaviour has gone beyond that which can be ignored.
Can you have a word with her? and be polite but very very straight with her?
Sorry.

HollaAtMeBaby · 29/06/2013 10:33

Technically she is right about the temperature and a baby that is cold will cry to let you know so don't worry about that... but that does not justify the behaviour.

Is this her first grandchild? It sounds like an extreme case of PFG and she needs to get a grip. Do not engage, and make your DP stand up for you. Forget about worrying that "she will make him choose" - he should choose you and if he doesn't then you have bigger issues than a row about the temperature of your nursery.

Tequilatequila · 29/06/2013 11:14

This is granchild no 7 for her so nothing new at all.. andtbh the grow egg was handed down to us by her daughter. Its probably not something id have gone out and bought myself.

Toomanycandles · 29/06/2013 11:15

I was one of those babies that grew up in a house with no air con and 35 degree summers. I turned out OK. Think she sounds a bit mad.

IneedAsockamnesty · 29/06/2013 11:28

Holla

No she's not. That temp and 1 blanket is fine if the baby does not feel hot.

dayshiftdoris · 29/06/2013 16:54

Giraffe

I'm a midwife and whilst its ok to open a window it not the right way to control room temp with a baby... A breeze can affect a baby's core temp differently to an adults - they can become colder quicker than us from even a light breeze...
That's why maternity units are like ovens!! We don't dare open windows unless there is absolutely no breeze at all and even then it provokes a ward shift round so cots are not by windows Grin
I usually say open the window in the next room and have the door open.

So your MIL is wrong

And for what it's worth what you are doing re: temp is PERFECT - checking the back of baby's neck and responding accordingly :-)

Tog ratings / thermometers are great tools but don't lose that instinctive judge you appear to have as it is that which will highlight any potential problems with baby.

And I worked on maternity units for 15yrs and I probably looked at the ward thermometer a handful of times... Each time in extreme weathers (very hot / cold) and because I felt it was hot / cold.
I remember it hitting 40c one day and we went round the ward to advise mums to strip their babies to vests and light blankets and regularly check them... Everyone single mum already had apart from one who was asleep and dad had Smile
They appreciated the advice though I am sure Wink