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anyone read Carol Sarler re Saatchi?

38 replies

DarceyBissell · 26/06/2013 17:01

I know no one on MN reads the DM but wondered if anyone had, accidently by chance, seen Carol Sarler's defence of Saatchi in today's edition?

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Purple2012 · 26/06/2013 17:03

Yep, saw it. Shes a prat. People that are victims of dv do a very good job of hiding it from the world.

GetStuffezd · 26/06/2013 17:03

I did, it was truly, horrible. How dare she say people shouldn't mistake Nigella with "real" victims of domestic violence? Stupid woman hoping for a bit of limelight and probably a five minute appearance on This Morning.

Onesleeptillwembley · 26/06/2013 17:04

Ignorance, pure and simple.

thebody · 26/06/2013 17:05

She's a stupid prat but please don't assume op that you know what papers mumsnetters read!

Countless references to the DM on here all the time so someone's reading the crap.

DarceyBissell · 26/06/2013 17:06

Ok, not just me then. Couldn't believe it.

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DarceyBissell · 26/06/2013 17:07

body - I remember a thread on here when self-confessed DM readers were almost crucified so my comment meant to be ironic. Please don't patronise me.

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BIWI · 26/06/2013 17:10

FFS. What did she say? And how did she justify it? (Sorry - won't knowingly go to the Daily Mail!)

Oswin · 26/06/2013 17:20

That article made me soo fucking angry! What a ignorant stupid woman! So applying her reasoning to my situation because I'm a strong woman and could have left if I wanted to because I was financially independant makes it not really DV. What a fucking idiot

DarceyBissell · 26/06/2013 17:20

BIWI - can't have it both ways.

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MalcolmTuckersMum · 26/06/2013 17:22

It's almost as though there's something in it for her to minimise the whole thing and to paint CS in a flattering light. Very strange - can't believe anyone actually agrees with her.

Purple2012 · 26/06/2013 17:22

I could tell you were being ironic op

DarceyBissell · 26/06/2013 17:23

Thank you Purple.

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McBalls · 26/06/2013 17:24

Haven't read it but get the gist from this thread.
She has no right whatsoever to decide whether or not NL is being/has been abused by CS, but then neither does anyone else - whichever side of the fence they fall on.

fromparistoberlin · 26/06/2013 17:25

she is a cunt, read it

MalcolmTuckersMum · 26/06/2013 17:25

This is the headline -

Calm down! Saatchi's no monster and Nigella's no battered wife

I'm sure you can find some way past your DM boycott if you want to read it - how on earth you hope to stay informed by refusing to read from certain publications is beyond me!

JamieandtheMagicTorch · 26/06/2013 17:26

Carol Sarler clearly know nothing about DV. It's depressing.

There are some good rebuttals of the article below it.

Oblomov · 26/06/2013 17:27

Well, I know I am going to get flamed here, but I am not entirely sure that this carol sarler, is that 'way off the mark'
What is she actually saying here?
That none of us really knwo what went on, or what thiei actual relationship or marriage is like. TRUE.
And that Nigella may not necessarily be the victim, so pathetic and downtrodden. Well that may also be true. I am not entirely sure, becuas i do not know Nigella, but she MAY not be such a victim in this. It is not necesarily so, that she has very low self esteem, or has let this happen before, or is so downtrodden, that she can not leave, can not let him go.
I mean, all those things, COULD be rubbish.
I don't know.
But what I do know, is that none of us know. And that Nigella has not , yet commented.

Whitershadeofpale · 26/06/2013 17:27

I've cut and pasted the awful article. I do read the DM online sometimes but this and Liz Jone's calling Rihanna's outfits "rape inducing" really takes the biscuit.

Calm down! Saatchi's no monster and Nigella's no battered wife

The time has come for all this to stop. The nation has thoroughly, if rather disgracefully, enjoyed itself by gossiping about Charles Saatchi and Nigella Lawson for quite long enough. We have pored over every ugly picture ? and ugly they certainly were ? and we have gaped and gasped to our national heart?s content.
But what began as graphic titillation has started to smell altogether too much like a witch-hunt: a frenzy of speculation that is becoming as unseemly as it is unfair.
Charles Saatchi is being portrayed worldwide as a wife-beating monster on the basis of scant, if any, evidence.
Nigella Lawson, famously her own woman and a goddess to boot, is being characterised as a pathetic victim of domestic violence ? which, try as I might, I just don?t buy.
Saatchi is indeed a volatile and physical man. Always has been. Back in the days when he began to make his millions in advertising, there were tales of him hurling items of furniture around the office like so many missiles, the better to ease any fleeting frustration.
We know, now, that he is pretty darned physical with his wife, too ? far more so than you or I might find acceptable if we had married him. Heaven knows, I wouldn?t want my throat grasped Saatchi-style, or my nose ?tweaked?.
Nevertheless, to put such unpleasantness into the catch-all basket called ?domestic violence? is to do grave disservice not just to this couple but also to the real victims of real horrors that happen daily behind closed doors.

Of course I condemn physical violence by men against women and, for that matter, by women against men. But there is no reason to believe that Charles Saatchi, though he may have a volcanic temperament, has ever hurt his wife.
Indeed, it is telling that his previous wife, Kay ? though no fan of his, this woman scorned ? has gone out of her way in recent days to defend him on that score. Ill-tempered, yes. Controlling, yes.
Violent, never.

Nor is there reason to believe that Nigella Lawson fits the mould of the battered wife. I do not pretend to know her well, but we worked on the same newspaper many years ago and I found her perfectly affable, quietly ambitious and wholly able to stand on her own two feet.
Her first husband, John Diamond, I knew much better, and of this I am sure: he was not a man likely to have been charmed by a dormouse.
In short, there is nothing about Nigella that puts her in the class of subjugated woman. She has no need of Saatchi?s money, being worth many millions herself.
She is not without a place to run to should she choose to leave ? her family is loaded, loving and influential ? and the idea that Saatchi has somehow managed to strip her of self-esteem and independent thought is frankly laughable.
The truth about their very public quarrel is that only two people know exactly what happened, that they are never going to tell us, and that claims of an ?assault? lasting a full 27 minutes are, after all, only the claims of a paparazzo with pictures to sell.
All that the rest of us know, from seeing his pictures, is that at any point Nigella could have reached for her bag and left ? yet chose not to do so.
And from another picture taken on another day, we know that the pair returned to the same table at the same restaurant a week later, which hardly suggests lingering trauma.
Saatchi accepted a police caution ? but that, likely as not, was a joint decision taken in the vain hope of damage limitation. She left the family home ? but that, too, was probably a joint decision taken to protect their children?s privacy.
How they live is surely their choice. It is their marriage, after all. Yet still the court of public opinion will not let the matter rest.
It has even reached the stage where a marital tiff has become fodder for party political point-scoring. Nick Clegg says that if he?d been there he would not have intervened; Ed Miliband and Lord Kinnock both say they would ? so nul points for the Libs and hurrah for the Labs, even if Nigella would no doubt have been first to tell the chivalrous creeps where to shove their ?intervention?.

I do wonder, though, whether Messrs Miliband and Kinnock would be as quick to reach for the shining armour had the ?assault? happened the other way around. Had Nigella shoved her fingers up the Saatchi beak ? do you think, then, they would have thought it any of their business?
No, me neither.
And it does happen the other way around. My guess is that if Nigella had been photographed slapping Saatchi?s face it would have been a two-day wonder in which she would have emerged as the heroine.
Indeed, mea culpa, I once entertained a packed and costly restaurant when I flung a large glass of vino over a companion?s head, and all I got as I stalked out were admiring winks from fellow diners.
A critical difference, of course, is that the cultural mindset is these days so feminised that the automatic presumption in my case was that the man must have done something to deserve it (in my case he had, but never mind) while in the Saatchi debacle the equally automatic presumption has been that Nigella is a ?victim
Why? Because she?s a woman. It is both a marvel and a sadness that what, barely a generation ago, was a vibrant movement of women jumping up and down to yell about their strengths has dissipated into a perpetual whimper about poor little us, victims all.
Victims of harassment, victims of discrimination, victims of husbands, victims of men.
Everybody is in on it: the police, the courts, the law-makers and, as we?ve seen here, even the politicians rush to join in.
Should a woman have any manner of altercation with a man, she is instantly labelled ?victim? until and unless his innocence is proved ? the opposite of the way our trusty system has traditionally and properly worked.
Some women, of course, need our help and protection, and it is to our credit that increasing awareness and resources are poured in where necessary.

Nonetheless, to confer the title of ?victim? where it is not warranted ? and it is hard to think of a better example than that of Nigella Lawson ? is worse than patronising; it is actually insulting.
I might feel slightly sorry for Charles Saatchi, insofar as the response to his behaviour, beastly and boorish as it undoubtedly was, has painted him far blacker than is probably appropriate.
But I feel a great deal more sorry for Nigella. Not because of what he did ? she?ll take or leave that and make decisions about her marriage as she sees fit ? but because she has become the subject of such prurience.
From the day those pictures reached the Sunday newsstands, all the hard-won, well-deserved admiration she has enjoyed for years for being a strong, independent woman faded to nothing in a tidal wave of public pity. And that, I?ll bet, hurts a lot more than her nose.

JamieandtheMagicTorch · 26/06/2013 17:31

Oblomov

I think the point is that she seems to be saying that to be the recipient of that kind of violence mean you are by definition pathetic and downtrodden. So if you aren't pathetic and downtrodden (like Nigella), the it wasn't Domestic Violence and it's somehow all right.

This ignore the fact that all sorts of women: wealthy, poor, working, non-working, feisty, shy - are the recipients of domestic violence.

JamieandtheMagicTorch · 26/06/2013 17:32

I have deliberately replaced the word "victim" with "recipient"

thebody · 26/06/2013 17:33

Darcey 'twas a light hearted comment you know.

😊.

JamieandtheMagicTorch · 26/06/2013 17:34

She has made an assumption about what a Battered Wife is (the very label is offensive), and because her view of what a Battered Wife is doesn't fit Nigella Lawson, the it wasn't abuse she suffered/suffers.

JamieandtheMagicTorch · 26/06/2013 17:35

And she assumes we all pity Nigella.

No I'm more fecking angry with him

InNeedOfSense · 26/06/2013 17:37

Jamie, you're spot on there - this article is basically saying that dv only happens to women who are weak enough to let it - so, de facto, victim-blaming. Depressingly misogynistic and stupid on so many levels.

50shadesofbrown · 26/06/2013 17:39

Think I agree with Oblomov. We don't know what happened, Nigella hasn't commented, whatever the reason, that's her right. It's quite sad that this, whether it was the very first incident, or the latest in a long line of abuse, has become such a topic of sordid speculation. No wonder she hasn't spoken publicly about it.

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