To feel a little sorry for the 7 children benefits Mum.

[MilgramsLittleHelper]

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Is just seems like another bit of benefit bashing to me.

I know she shouldn't have had children she couldn't afford, but what hope of improving her lot???

I'm not blaming the Government/banking sector (totally), but it seems outrageous that some of the finest minds in the land couldn't model the probability and extent of the economic fallout, but it's always the weakest (as in less able to defend themselves from authority) that get that the shitty end of things.

Well for those people who have empathy and really want to empower people to be the best they can be, there are many ways.

I, for instance, recruit train and manage volunteer mentors, who offer their time, experience, support and encouragement to individuals engaging with various services within my organisation.

There are so many things we have to offer others that they find invaluable and that they might never have had an opportunity to access any other way.

That's one way and just one example.

Get involved, that's how we start to give people a hand up.

Yes, how do we support people? I know, how about free meals, free educatipn, free healthcare and contraception? Nah, it would never work ther'd still be some wanting to bleed the hardworking even more!

2 grand and a 6 bed house shitty?

dreaming - how do you discourage people to not have children?

Education, education, education. It's the passport out of ignorance.

I am not excusing her,, I am trying to give a very possible history as to how someone ends up in this situation.

I have had lot of shite slung my way in life, I am quite surprised I am not an alcoholic, drug addict, or live in a council house near to my mother with 5 kids in tow.

I still struggle, immensely sometimes.
I have low self esteem, anxiety, depression, I loath myself, I decline promotions at work because I don't feel I am good enough, I am scared to achieve more than I am comfortable with.
It's ludicrous clearly, but the way of thinking that years of abuse and neglect influences me is hard to shake.

I have tried my hardest to make sure I do not end up like my mother, in her situation.
It wasn't fun, not at all.
Despite my life being better than I envisaged as a child and teenager I can still see how more worse off I could have ended up.
I do not know why I am like this, why my reaction and this woman's reaction differ, but I can understand and empathise with how easy it may have been to give up and settle for a life like that.

Bonquers - you're just fucking vile.

You've yet to offer any kind of reasoned argument.

DFUD

What, free efucation? like we already have? what a load of rubbish! Why graft when you can get more for free is the mentslity and no education will change that only cuts.

2 grand and a 6 bed house shitty?

2 grand, most of which goes into the landlords back pocket. Over inflated rentals another product of a poorly run economy.

Beau - yes, the elder DC could/ should be helping out but this woman, specifically, has a child with SN who she's unable to leave.

i don't believe she just happened to end up with the highest possible income she could achieve.

whether you are steve jobs, or this woman, its not a roll of the dice.

BeauNidle
Part of the reason I ended up in care was my reluctance to care for my younger siblings, I refused to be a surrogate parent.
My mother didn't like that, not one bit.

I hated that role with more passion than anything else.
It majorly affected my relationships with my siblings.

Obviously there are levels of help, but I find some people expect too much from the eldest.

Maybe use your free education Bonquers

The education I meant wasn't strictly the school education you assumed I meant.

What about parenting classes, budgeting workshops, life skills/ coaching, employability courses, literacy and numeracy?

These are all pathways to improvement.

Get involved, that's how we start to give people a hand up.

that's great. we all have different skills. i stopped a charity going bankrupt so it could continue to help people.

i still think she needs more stick and less carrot.

She's had more carrot than a field full of donkeys!

And yes, I'm a bleeding heart twit but you've yet to offer any reasoned argument.

You are an ignoramus!

Haven't read whole thread. I don't quite understand what's going on here. she says she currently 'gets' 60 pounds per week per child and it is going to 'go down' to 20 pounds per week, for 'everything; food clothes, school trips etc.'

And she is in private rental in a 6 bed house. Is it that she is using part of her universal credit and child benefit etc to continue funding the overpayment above HB on her house? Is she saying that in oder to stay in that property her disposable income will need to drop to 20 per week per child?

Also she says that her 17 year old has just 'come back' to live with her. Where has she been?

Brilliant work fasterstronger (please don't read that as sarcastic, because it isn't)

And she says her ex gives her absolutely nothing, so presumably he couldn't afford to contribute adequately to the children when he lived with them either!

it'sall

I have reasoned. I've said, ad nauseum in fact, that cutting the generous benefits should result in fewer children being born into this lifestyle. The cuts should make people make choices they are currently not making.

Obviously we need to continue to provide the bare minimum for those already here but not a penny more for any more.

Benefits should be set in stone at the family size you are at when you first access them.

I don't think she answered any of those questions Fellatio.

Maybe I'm sure someone can correct me.

She had six kids when her husband left. So why on earth did she think having a seventh by someone else would be a good idea??

Oh, because she knew damn well that it would mean a few more £££ in benefits.

Nope, I dont have any sympathy at all for her "plight".

There are many more families struggling on a lot less than she is, and they are working too, not expecting hand outs.

MilgramsLittleHelper Wed 12-Jun-13 14:34:59
2 grand and a 6 bed house shitty?

2 grand, most of which goes into the landlords back pocket. Over inflated rentals another product of a poorly run economy.

_-

And someone who has gone out and earned 2 grand has also got to pay rent/mortgage. Along with council tax, school dinners, prescriptions blah blah.

itsall we ar never going to agree here but luckily for me and unluckily for you -and all the other lefty bleeding hearts-- we have a Tory govt intent on a clamp down .