To feel a little sorry for the 7 children benefits Mum.

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Is just seems like another bit of benefit bashing to me.

I know she shouldn't have had children she couldn't afford, but what hope of improving her lot???

I completely agree with you dawn-if this woman is a carer for a number of her children then she does deserve our support. But that wasn't the question asked on this thread-it was do you feel sorry for her and my answer is still no.

Have I said that people in circumstances less fortunate than our own should not be supported. Show me.

I have re-iterated all the way through this thread that I am not against the welfare state or helping those in needs, but ultimately this woman takes the piss and that is the circumstance I am referring to.

"if you earn more than the tax credit threshold you are hardly struggling"-are you joking? Have you failed to notice that the cost of fuel,food and energy has rocketed in recent years? While wages have not?

But Beau, we don't know if she takes the piss. She has one child with a life threatening illness and another with a serious disability, so in what way is she taking the piss?

She is quite clearly taking the piss when she whinges that she is not being given enough money when the income which is being gifted to her is more than 90% of what the working population earn. Do you really see nothing wrong with that?

I do find it interesting though the clear shift in ideology on mn-the vast majority seem to support the benefit reforms..

By selling her story and whining to the press and public that she is so hard done by and it is the government's fault. None of this, well I suppose I did chose to have the 7th child, whist struggling as a single mother with 6 already. Nothing about how she is trying to take steps like any normal person would with regard to a change in income, and how to sit down and asses whether you can afford to continue in this house, run this car, etc.

Consequently zero sympathy from moi.

I don't think the vast majority do support them, actually. Well, not on here, anyway.
No, I don't see anything wrong with supporting a family with disabilities. If she is in a position whereby she is unable to work, then she should, whilst caring for people with disabilities be given everything possible to ensure that their lives are safe, comfortable and secure. I certainly would not want to look at the possibility of having to move if my child had a life threatening illness, would you?

She will not have sold her story, she is not allowed to accept payment for it.

Ash

I don't see the vast majority supporting the cuts at all, far from it. In addition if our household had more than the tax credit threshold we would be really rich, I wouldn't know what to do with all that money.
There again we have few out goings and hardly use fuel.
How does she have more money coming in than 90% of the population?

Read this thread properly then, and you will see quite clearly the majority are supporting the cuts.

Then go back and read a thread from say a year or 2 ago. You will see the change on mn.

People are sick of hearing stories like this woman. People are voicing their opinions far more vocally.

morethan - do you have an income of 2600 for sitting at home. Do you know how many hours work an ordinary person has to do for 2600?
It is the equivalent of getting £16.00 per hour on a 37.5 hour week.
Poor woman is only going to get £12.30 an hour now, My heart bleeds.

Show me the wages of an average worker of 37.5 hours per week, and I don't think you will find it is anywhere near that.

hardly use fuel

How do you heat and light your home ?

Rubbish. It's not a change in demographic, it's simply the "silenty majority" are finding their voices and are sick of the "mn" rhetoric. The bone-idle spongers have had their cards marked.

Certainly is IMO

Anyways, are you sending her a nice big cheque, as you feel so very sorry for her? Maybe tht is the solution. All those willing to give her the top up, go right ahead.

Leave the rest of us out of it.

Ashoethinit is so clear from how you go on and on about her house and money that you sre utterly jealous IMO.

There is no change - some people always wanted to blame the poor for all that is wrong with the UK, they just feel it's more socially acceptable to voice that view at the moment.

Most people are struggling at the moment. She is not a special case. My children share a room and when me and my husband were struggling it pushed us to go and find work so that we weren't struggling as much. Struggling can be an incentive to better your life rather than expecting someone else to take responsibility for your bad choices.

Or perhaps all parents with children (working or not) should be given £32k tax free because, after all, Starbucks aren't paying any tax so it's only fair and that way no parent will struggle?

I don't see much change on mnet tbh, perhaps i must usually avoid benefit bashing threads.

Carpevinum.

Car for essential journeys only, one light usually at night. Why should your house look like Blackpool Illuminations. Heating, perhaps a couple of months per year. Cooking, once per day.
In the past we used less as did everything on an aga or woodburner, even cheaper.

People are voicing their opinions far more vocally

Meaning they feel a safety in numbers.

There has been a measurable shift in the tolerance/resentment balance.

Part of that will be attrinutable to those calling for more tolerance and less resentment shouting at the rensenters and calling them names. Which only increases resentment becuase more people feel unfairly malinged, unheard and misunderstood.

I think if listening to the earlier grumbles of resentment had happened, there could have been a compromise "transistional and non retrospective" solution put on the table and garnered significant support from both sides.

I worry that perhaps the swell of resentment has been amplified by being reframed as "pure nastiness" to the point that the only solutions that will gain a critical mass of support are those that lean towards punative.

Which doesn't bode well for the children at the sharp end.

Is there any room left for a transitional non retrospective solution, or is there only supoort for "keep as is" or a "retrospective cuts" solutions ?

How much good will between the two side of a very polarized issue is left to fuel the hammering out a compromise solution that places a priority on exsisting children not becoming more disadvantaged than they already are ?

But this woman does not appear to be a scrounger, she has a child with a life threatening illness and one with arthritis.
And yet Beau continues to be rude and boorish. Are you like this in real life Beau, I suspect not.
As for reading threads, I am dear, I am and still I disagree, because, when you put it to Joe Public exactly how the cuts will affect the benefits of people with disabilities, of carers and the like, Joe Public changes their mind. Funny that.

A UEA study, and the Rowntree Foundation have both demonstrated clearly that the people suffering the majority of the cuts are those that can least afford it, generally speaking that means those with disabilities and carers. What a surprise.

Can somebody explain the maths behind these claims this woman has between 26k and 42k, the amounts change according to how jealous the particular poster sounds? I'm not 100% sure how all of the welfare benefits system works.

lottieandmia

You think that on £2600 benefits a month that this woman qualifies to be called poor?
Even when she benefits are cut to £2000 a month she is still bring in more than the average wage.

Poor she is not.

Thing is Beau, she may be caring for two disabled children and rightly be very worried about how she is gong to cope.

Would YOU swap with her, take in her responsibilities and caring role? Is that really what you want because you are coming across as envying her.

I would not want her life, no matter how much I might gain in benefits.

I get benefits now and it can be hard even with just ONE child. Adding more children plus the disabilities must be murder to manage.