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to let a house to someone with a ccj?

53 replies

lordleofric · 09/06/2013 18:25

We have used a letting agency to find a tenant. They have found one but he has a ccj. He is in full-time employment and claims that he didn't know about the ccj. He has offered a large deposit (6 weeks rent) and a guarantor. Wwyd?

OP posts:
SusanneLinder · 10/06/2013 12:26

*There was nothing in the letter we signed and we had no notification that we had a CCJ. I have had ructions with the mortgage company and had an official apology for misleading information...but the CCJ remains!

So anyway...I would take any case individually.*

I would be going to the Information Commissioner with that one.

Branleuse · 10/06/2013 12:30

dp got one from npower after they wanted us to pay previous tenents debt and even after we provided rhwm with all details required continued hounding for ages till we moved.

froubylou · 10/06/2013 12:47

I own my own company helping LL and letting agents recover debts from tenants who don't pay, and gaining possession of property's for them from tenants who run up huuugggeeee rent bills.

In a situation where a guarantor is offered legally any missing rent or damages are recoverable from the guarantor (which is why you take one in the first place). So how finacially secure is the guarantor would be my first question.

Personally I wouldn't hold much faith in a previous LL's reference if the tenant is still living in that property. A landlord with a 'problem' tenant will be keen to help them 'move on' rather than continue to be their problem.

Have you seen bank statements and payslips? Usually give a better indication of someones finances than a credit search in a situation like this. Lots of finance payments or credit card payments with very little surplus income would suggest someone struggling. I'd also be wary of someone who drew out lots of cash to be honest unless they dont have a debit card.

I also had a CCJ that I didn't know about for a short time. It was a water rates bill for a rental property I lived in 9 years before. Knew nothing about it until it popped up on my credit file 9 years later. I eventually managed to get it taken off as it wasn't applied correctly (out of time, didn't make an effort to find new address, didn't issue correct paperwork etc etc) but it is possible he didn't know it was there.

My questions relating to the CCJ was how much was it for (something a couple of hundred quid is more likely to me a clerical error than someone forgetting to pay a couple of grand) when was it applied and what was it for.

But as I originally stated check the guarantor, make sure the letting agent knows how to draw up a watertight guarantors indemnity and ensure that if arrears/problems do arise that the guarantors are contacted immediatly. When taking a guarantor you have a duty to minimis the risk and exposure to that guarantor therefore any arrears should be notified ASAP as well as any damages and you also have to serve the correct notices at the correct times if problems occur. Make sure that the G. understands that although they may be agreeing to a 6 month tenancy that it can run on for longer as once the original 6 months is complete, the tenancy will revert to a periodic one unless either party signs a new AST or gives notice.

Most agents are pretty good at dealing with Guarantors but you would be surprised by the number that cock up appalingly and cost the LL's money.

whois · 10/06/2013 12:52

Like others have said, case by case. £30 not paid on final mobile phone bill? Fine. Council tax or energy arrears more than a couple hundred pounds no way. Also check your letting insurance as lots of clauses about tenants.

justmyview · 10/06/2013 12:55

I had a court judgement I didn't know about from a student flat I'd left 2 years previously. It does happen. I'd ask for more info. Agree with asking to see copy bank statements

OrangeFireandGoldashes · 10/06/2013 13:04

I had a CCJ for a substantial amount when we moved into our current rented house, due to financial difficulties following a double redundancy and one creditor refusing to accept the payment plan that the Consumer Credit Counselling Service were helping me put in place. I was upfront with our prospective landlord, paid an additional amount as deposit and my parents kindly agreed to stand as guarantors.

Three years on, still in the same house, we haven't been late with the rent by so much as a single day and our LL chose not to trigger the annual rent increase clause this year as we have been, in his words, "such good tenants". [proud]

Fairygen · 10/06/2013 13:04

One of my exp left me with a ccj . The first time I knew about it was when the bailiff knocked at my door 5 years later!! I've been renting for nearly 20 years and NEVER been late with or missed a rent payment.

SusanneLinder · 10/06/2013 13:19

I'd also be wary of someone who drew out lots of cash to be honest unless they dont have a debit card.

Really? I work to assist people with budgeting, and we ALWAYS tell people to work with cash on a weekly basis, and I do so myself.I draw out my weekly allowance on what I need, and when it's gone, its gone.

Technotropic · 10/06/2013 13:19

As others have said, it depends and is worth investigating further.

The trouble is, the market in my area is so buoyant ATM that I let mine out in 2 days and had half a dozen 'ideal' tenants to choose from. Given some with squeaky clean records and one with a CCJ I'd probably skip right past it for convenience. Otherwise I would take the time to look into it. HTH.

goldenlula · 10/06/2013 13:29

Dh had a ccj (at least I think that is what he had) but as all the correspondence had been sent to his previous address and his ex had binned them he didn't know about them. He only found out when he applied for a mortgage, he sorted it and got his mortgage.

Willabywallaby · 10/06/2013 13:36

My old tenant had a CCJ, but since I didn't enforce it he never paid. So I assume people do let to people with them Sad

Owllady · 10/06/2013 13:36

I think it's worth being realistic. If he is in full time employment,c an produce a 6 week deposit, has been honest and has a guarantor then I would let him rent it tbh

Loads of people who rent must have ccj's

I got one through council tax as well, they were really heavy handed with it tbh. I was on a payment plan already to cover an arrears and they had gone to court without notifying me and the first i knew was also a bloody bayliff knocking at my door. It's a horrible experience, but you know we are in a recession, loads of people have lost their jobs or are suffering financial hardship (some will have lost their homes) as long as they can cover the rent and bills I don't think it really matters if they have a ccj that they have been honest about

BloggingAboutTediousThings · 10/06/2013 13:38

Depends what the CCJ is about. I moved the Brussels for one year and totally forgot about my mobile broadband contract. I have a CCJ for £38 of an unpaid Three Network
Bill.

adventurer2017 · 26/08/2017 11:19

17 years ago my husband and I spent every last penny we had to move into a peaceful bunglalow, Two months after moving in the owner decided that he was going to come back from Austrailia where he worked as a doctor, he wanted his place back, we received notice!. We had nowhere to go and no money so I had to seek help from a local councillor, she told us that we needed to stay put, that if we left of our own free will without a court order that the local housing association would not help us to relocate. I was receiveing housing benifit because I am now 68 years old and until I retired I was unemployable due to poor health. I have guarenteed income for life.
When housing benifit were informed of the notice they stopped paying the rent and held it until the case was over - I suffered a stroke and was unable to attend court, I asked the local doctor if he could write me a letter excusing me from attending court due to my inablility to travel due to my stroke. He would not give me a letter excusing me as he mentioned that it was disgraceful that I was causing the owner of the property so much grief, Apparently they had gone to college together!, Anyway, I could not attend court and the case went ahead without me. The result was that I was hit for everything including costs, £3000, even though we sent in a full report in defence, this was dismissed. we were ordered to pay £10 a week, which we are still paying 17 years on. Because of this I have a CCJ in my name. Before moving to this property we had an excellent reference from our previous landlord, indeed we have had excellent references since. Our bills are our priority. We do not smoke, drink, drive or have any other bad habits. We are currently living in Lincolnshire but we desperately want to get down and live in Devon. The owner of the property I am living in now for the past 6 years, has died and his son and daughter want to sell, So we have already received our two months notice. The agent Belvoir took a gamble on us and rented the property to us taking 6 months rent and deposit of 6 weeks. they eventually put us on monthly rent, as they knew that could trust us. They are looking for a place for us now but they will only look in the town I am living. We want to rent a bungalow in Devon but worried that the agent will reject us, also we are 300 miles from there so viewing may be a problem. we are going to put all our belongings in storage and see if we can rent a winter let, but worried how this would work and if they would help us. Our agent has said that any agent can contact them and they will give us a glowing reference. We have less than 2 months, and at 68 years old I just do not need all the stress. Is it possible that if I put my case to an agent at the start that there are some that may help us to find our home in devon.? we do prefer a long let. any advice would be appreciated.

Papafran · 26/08/2017 11:41

adventurer, this is a zombie thread, which means it is old (4 years in this case). What you need to do if you have a question is to post a new thread and people will help you. If you post on zombies, they will just get annoyed with you and you won't get the answers you are seeking.

Jad234 · 26/08/2017 11:44

I have a ccj on my credit report..a friend opened a credit card In my name to her address,I knew nothing about it till I was rejected for credit.
Ccj for £3200
Ask questions first then decide.

NotSuchASmugMarriedNow1 · 26/08/2017 11:47

claims that he didn't know about the ccj.

He's a bare faced liar. I wouldn't let a bare faced liar rent my home, imagine what else he has been dishonest about.

Papafran · 26/08/2017 11:51

Well, NotSuchASmugMarried, I am sure that is no longer an issue for the OP what with this being 4 years ago and all. They probably found another tenant.

Viviennemary · 26/08/2017 11:54

I don't think I would. Six weeks deposit isn't much when you think how difficult it is to evict a tenant for non payment of rent.

BananaInPyjama · 26/08/2017 12:51

we were renting a house out a few years ago. Guy wanted to rent with CCJ- issued while divorce was being processed and troubles between him and his ex wife and her not paying bills (in his name).
We took him on. He was a fabulous careful tenant and always paid on time- to prove he was reliable.

So I think it depends what CCJ is for and how it can about.

Francesca90 · 24/10/2017 02:44

We're in the middle of trying to find some where to rent. I already private rent, have been for 3 years, never missed rent. Me and partner went joint on an application for a house, thought we got it until they rang yesterday saying the land lady has refused us because of my partners ccj from 2014 he knew nothing about! We offered 6 months rent up front but she still refused! There must be a landlord who would still rent to us! I have 6 week old twins and a 3 yr old and have to find somewhere by the 14th Nov!

RazWaz · 24/10/2017 02:54

CCJs don't always mean bad news. I have two and in 9 years of renting I've never once been late paying.

One was because I was told my student loans covered a course fee when they didn't, the other was for council tax wrongly charged for my student house (which when I tried to get removed from the bill I was told I was "out of time"). The letters were all sent to my student flat while I was living 250 miles away completely unaware anything was happening.

I wouldn't consider 6 weeks upfront a lot though, a month tends to be standard and I usually paid 6 months - though I didn't have a guarantor.

internetCrazies · 24/10/2017 03:24

Meh. A ccj is actually quite easy to come by.
I had one myself many years ago. I moved into a house at 17 and got a council tax bill. They gave me a card and I paid the amount required religiously. Got a letter saying I owed £60 or so, so went to the council and paid it and continued with my regular payments. Got another letter. Paid it again panicking. Next news I had a ccj and a huge debt (£60 plus almost 3 times as much in "costs") turns out, every time I went to pay the £60, they credited the following year's bill. I was almost a year in advance but had somehow defaulted on that year's bill?

Find out what the ccj is for. Make up your own mind as to whether you think he's a bad debtor or someone who was caught out somehow and had fixed it.

DownstairsMixUp · 24/10/2017 04:24

I have a ccj from a past abusive relationship. Very glad I had a lovely landlord. Always listen to people before you judge.

Walkerbean16 · 24/10/2017 08:23

This thread is four years old!