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Am I being a sanctimonious nobber re: Daily Mail?

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Undertone · 09/06/2013 13:38

OK - so I know I shouldn't have but I read Liz Jones' latest piece of trash in the Mail on Sunday website today. I won't link, but to paraphrase: she feels entitled to use the emergency services (a&e, fire brigade) for trivial reasons (removing an earring, a stuck kitten) because she 'pays her taxes' and goes private for most things anyway. The piece ended on a note saying she admired Stephen Fry's bravery - NOT for talking about his suicide attempt but for the fact that he tried to do it with pills. I know - WTF?!

Anyway - she's a sadly limited woman used as a troll to drive DM traffic. But something in me snapped today.

Casual acceptance of the bigoted, chauvinistic, entitled and sometimes downright dangerous opinions she and other DM columnists get published is toxic. Yes there are lots of people that protest, and the DM editors rub their scaly hands with glee at all the attention it gains them, but outside of the Twitter and outraged lefty bubble there are millions of people who read it and go "oh - that's a published opinion. Must be legit." And by tiny increments flawed, lazy and insular patterns of thought become ever more embedded.

Anyway - (I AM getting to the point) I don't have many friends on Facebook - quite a tight group really - and I posted a status about how I'd had it with the DM and the next time somebody admitted to reading it I would challenge them about it (meaning, really, someone in a pub or at work).

So who should bloody pop up and comment on this status but one of my good female friends (she and I are going on hol together in a few weeks, just the 2 of us) saying "I am a DM reader and proud - sorry!"

A bit of context - I love her to pieces and I have known her for about 13 years now. She and I have clashed on issues before (she doesn't believe in feminism, and thinks it is unfair to men - I have had to start avoiding the subject with her now because she doesn't accept my beliefs and won't let it go when an argument has run its course).

I want to challenge her about it, I want to explain to her why (from an outsider POV as a non-DM reader) I find it such an offensive newspaper and feel so strongly about it. It would be best if I just picked up the phone to her now and had a discussion - but is that weird? I mean - posting a flippant FB remark and then someone ringing you up to argue about it? Should I send her an email?

Crucially I want to explain myself without insulting her so that the holiday isn't awkward. But it was a surprise that she reads the DM and I do unfortunately think a bit less of her. This is what I am worried will come out in a spat.

Help - AIBU to challenge her? Maybe she missed all the terrible stories I've seen Can you help me with some links to send her?

OP posts:
claig · 11/06/2013 22:39

But those are the type of things that Liz Jones might possibly sometimes write about, and that millions of women read about.

Does that make Liz Jones sexist?

fromparistoberlin · 11/06/2013 22:39

I thought it was funny that some of the huff post comments said it was the same load of gossipy trip "on there too". some truth in that......

claig · 11/06/2013 22:40

Melanie Phillips does not wrote articles like that, but Liz Jones sometimes might.

They are both very popular writers and different readers choose to read them.

Undertone · 11/06/2013 22:42

Claig - Liz Jones is a sexist, yes.

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claig · 11/06/2013 22:49

I don't think that is right.

The Daily Mail has lots of different writers with different opinions.

Suzanne Moore writes or wrote for it, Jan Moir, Amanda Platell, Melanie Phillips, Sonia Poulton etc

It has a great variety of opinion and lots of readers love Liz Jones's columns. I like them, I think they are original, funny, thought provoking, perceptive, profound and sometimes very moving.

onedayiwillmissthis · 11/06/2013 23:06

maybe i'm just nuts but I use two 'news' apps on my phone,

  1. the dm
  2. the guardian...

the dm covers some good topics (often before other publications/media pick up on the stories) but they are generally very poorly written..

you get a better class of rant on the guardian Grin...I like to get plenty of different views.

As for 'encouraging' the dm writers to produce pieces aimed at getting us all frothin' at the mouth...I believe many people already feel very upset about the 'themes' covered...and they shouldn't be prevented from expressing their views just because we don't agree with them.

(also read the Independant online, but like the 'hardcopy' Telegraph and Times at the weekend)

notanaxemurderer · 11/06/2013 23:25

"I like them, I think they are original, funny, thought provoking, perceptive, profound and sometimes very moving."

Shock Are we talking about the same writer? Grin

And yes, she's extremely sexist.

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