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AIBU to expect people to think a bit before asking

81 replies

CaipirinhasAllRound · 29/05/2013 13:26

a couple in their mid/late 30s who've been married for almost 6 years if they think they would like to have children one day?!

OP posts:
princesssmartypantss · 29/05/2013 14:47

i have one dc, and because he is approaching 2 get asked a lot, we aren't trying, so not sure if we will or won't have problems getting pregnant, so even without trying i find it a bit tedious, but then i am a sahm and i suppose people struggle to know what other small talk to chatter about as although i have met lots of people since ds arrived none are really close friends so they don't delve into the past or assume correctly that i do much other than play puzzles or playdough all day!

Yettish · 29/05/2013 14:48

YANBU. It's incredibly rude and tactless to ask this kind of question. By all means ask people about the children they've got - that's small talk. But not about children they haven't got - that's beyond gauche.

Schmoozer · 29/05/2013 14:50

Its really personal, and inappropriate to ask.
I HATE being asked with a vengence.
I have one dd after 10 yrs / IVF

Patchouli · 29/05/2013 14:52

It's completely different EuroShaggleton.

Pets and houses are choices. And nothing like having children.

piprabbit · 29/05/2013 14:52

It's one of those questions that is always inappropriate, regardless of the person's age or fertility. Honestly, what sort of answer are you expecting to get?

It's a bit like asking "Do you have a happy marriage?"

MaybeNotThen · 29/05/2013 14:53

God, yes. The older I get the more I see friends struggling with fertility issues. When I was in my 20s I probably did ask questions about having children without thinking of the consequences. Now I never ask. You never know what the reason is for a couple being childless, and so the question is just insensitive.

Interestingly I was at a catch up party with a big group of old friends recently, we're all in our early thirties and some of us have kids, sone don't. The only person who asked the childless couples about when they were going to have kids was a younger girlfriend in her mid twenties.

I don't think it was her fault, though. I think most women, before trying for children, just think that it will all happen nice and easy. It's only yours and your friends and families experiences that teach you otherwise. Or being on forums like this. And she didn't strike me as a Mnetter Grin

Patchouli · 29/05/2013 14:53

Sorry Euro, I see it was Bling who said that - I misread your post.

GoodbyePorkPie · 29/05/2013 14:54

Agreed, Bling. I live in a culture where it's acceptable to ask this, straight after being asked how old you are and whether you're married.

In the UK - not ok at all.

Doyouthinktheysaurus · 29/05/2013 14:54

YANBU

It's an incredibly personal question, I have never asked anyone and I can't see a situation when I ever would tbh. It's very personal and the chances of offending someone are very, very high.

I had cervical cancer when ds2 was small and surgery put paid to more children, but I still got asked if I'd be having moreHmm

I just think the chances of offending are high and it really is no one else's business.

blimeyohriley · 29/05/2013 14:55

Having had 4 mcs and a DD who is 3 I am very familiar with this. I have taken the stance that if someone is asking me then they want to know the answer, so I tell them and am brutally honest about it. If it stops and makes people think about whether they should have asked then that is a good thing. Grrrrr!

TolliverGroat · 29/05/2013 14:55

YANBU. Under those circumstances I generally assume that either (a) they have decided not to have children or (b) they are having fertility issues that they haven't chosen to share with me. Under either of those circumstances asking about baby plans would be inappropriate.

blimeyohriley · 29/05/2013 14:58

Sorry that was not really answering your question....

YANBU.

beginnings · 29/05/2013 15:00

I once asked someone I didn't know very well if she had children. As the question was coming out of my mouth I was thinking "What on earth are you saying, and why!?!" In my defence, and it's a weak one, I was going through some ishoos at the time and my brain had a habit of not completely communicating with my mouth.

She hadn't - although a couple of years later I was thrilled to hear she was going on adoption leave! Couldn't have happened to a better person.

I have never, ever, asked that question since.

Four years later I discovered I had fertility issues, and now know, as opposed to just wondering, that I was being massively insensitive. It's a stupid stupid question.

YANBU OP.

WestieMamma · 29/05/2013 15:00

I gave birth in the street in front of all my neighbours Blush. The next day on my return from hospital as I got out of the car, the guy next door came over and asked about when the next one would be. FFS! At least give me time to have a cuppa first.

AaDB · 29/05/2013 15:02

YANBU

Auntie Knobhead asked me about four times a year until I finally had DS. Both her sons have had fertility issues and she really should have known better. Talking about having children/ making a comment about a lack of offspring isn't smalltalk.

PunkHedgehog · 29/05/2013 15:04

YANBU - apart from the 'think before asking' part; they shouldn't ask at all, thought or not.

Regardless of any personal circumstances that might make it upsetting, it's quite simply none of their business. If you wanted them to know, you'd tell them; if you haven't, then obviously you don't.

blimeyohriley · 29/05/2013 15:05

Oh and sod their feelings!

I used to feel like you and didn't want to offend, but after one person asked me if I was having another and I said we were having difficulties and they then proceeded to say just relax and it will happen, I then just felt compelled to say I don't have a problem getting pregnant, I have a problem keeping a pregnancy. The person concerned looked a bit mortified but hey-ho don't give me ridiculous advice then!!

Sorry, I will now stop hijacking this thread with my rant!

BlingLoving · 29/05/2013 15:07

The thing is that while there are people who aren't having children because of fertility issues, for lots of people it's because they don't want them, or don't want them yet. So yes, it might be a much less life altering choice than a pet or a house, but it is often a choice.

I think because some people do struggle with infertility, they forget that a lot of people without children are that way because they just aren't ready. This assumption that the only reason people don't have children is because they have issues is, in my opinion, false.

But, like I said, I get that it's not considered okay here so I don't ask. Where I come from, it's a completely normal question and is considered showing an interest, not deeply probing. Although having said that, like anything, that assumes that the person asking is also sensitive to the answer ie a woman who happily tells you that she's not having children because her and her partner are enjoying travelling the world needs a different response to the woman who mumbles, "maybe one day" and moves the conversation on.

personally, I don't understand this obsession with not asking questions in case the answer is something bad. I think it makes more sense that if the answer is something uncomfortable, we learn to deal with how it's talked about. The secrecy around this kind of thing just makes it worse - women accidentally hurting their friends' feelings because they're so excited about being pregnant because they didn't even know that the friend has been trying etc.

GoodbyePorkPie · 29/05/2013 15:11

"I gave birth in the street in front of all my neighbours"

Shock Wow, that's amazing! Bet that gave them something to gossip about over the fence.

MrsLyman · 29/05/2013 15:13

I read a great phrase about this on the Guardian website earlier unsolicited uterus update

YANBU OP, although it is just one of those things that people say, so generally they don't mean harm or sometimes can't stop themselves as it's such a used small talk topic, despite it being anything but smalltalk IYSWIM.

I would also say though that it's almost a result of miscarriage and fertility problems being so untalked about people forget it's not just a case of deciding whether to have children or not unless they have experienced it themselves.

FoxMulder · 29/05/2013 15:14

Oh I get asked aaaallll the time. Must be my age (turning 30 on Saturday!!). I just tell people 'god no, I can't think of anything worse Smile'

MrsLyman · 29/05/2013 15:15

westiemamma Shock

Pfaffer · 29/05/2013 15:16

YANBU at all. People just don't see it as taboo.
I never ask now. It's just not essential info, is it?

WestieMamma · 29/05/2013 15:17

"I gave birth in the street in front of all my neighbours"

Wow, that's amazing! Bet that gave them something to gossip about over the fence.

I live in a small town in Sweden. Complete strangers have been coming up to my husband and I (the only Brits in the village) and congratulating us. I was clinging to the back of the ambulance at the time. One paramedic was inside trying to pull me in. The other was behind pushing. How she managed to catch the baby as he flew out I'll never know.

LemonPeculiarJones · 29/05/2013 15:41

YANBU.

I think if someone feels it is ok to ask something so personal, you have every right to ask them something like, "So, what's your most difficult, painful memory?" "Do you think your relationship will last, or....?" "So how do you feel about your appearance?"

All with a nice bright smile.