Nick Ross on rape - warning you may feel the need to punch a wall

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sorry it's a daily mail link.

I am full of rage, particularly his comments on aggravated rape. Wtf. Presumably he means that there are situations in which he will not be able to stop himself from raping someone because it is aggravated. This has made me so angry. Please they'll me he no longer works for the BBC. I truly hope he loses his career over this. How the hell are we supposed to educate people who think like this?

Women shouldn't have to resort to wearing things to prevent rape, but in many country I can see why women wanting to protect themselves.

I have to say that when I was on a jury for a rape case, I was absolutely shocked by some of the attitudes that came out, not exactly on these lines but similar. The worst offenders were the 3 18 year olds (2 boys, 1 girl). It really made me angry, and concerned that these youngsters were thinking like they were.

Am sick as dog today (d&v, thank you for asking...) but CANNOT NOT post on this. Enraged does not even touch the sides of it. My only comments on NR are CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT - STUPID FUCKING BORDERLINE EVIL CUNT.

MY PRACTICAL/'TO ACTION' COMMENTS - as THIS IS REPELLENT (& DANGEROUS) BEYOND BELIEF - are these:

(Hope all is clear, am kinda weak c/o D&V but have done best. Apols for anything missed etc etc, but really hope helps you x)

ALL contact details are gathered and below, so it really will not you a minute or two to simply register your voice. Ditto a draft letter (ready to simply cut/paste and send) to help ANYONE who wants to register their disgust and distaste at Mr Ross getting further work from the BBC. NB: Please note his previous BBC co-presenter on Crimewatch's personal comment on it/him via Twitter (below in .3)

1: Formally complain to BBC with whom I believe he is still in reciept of employment/gigs.

Personally, I would send to BOTH of the below -as the Press Office will act more quickly than the complaints department AND are entwined with the PR team, who will be aiming to minimise this and ergo may more quickly on denouncing NR's 'comments'.

[[www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/enquiries
BBC PRESS OFFICE; open until 11pm tonight.]]

BBC COMPLAINTS CENTRE

Would SUGGEST, (but is obviously a personal choice and the below written solely as seems to broadly summarise the collective view, and therefore written solely for ease/time limits of those who may WANT to write) write as following:

i: CLEARLY head your complaint 'NICK ROSS/RAPE'

ii: If able, voice your own views/experiences/WHY & HOW he IS so VERY wrong;

iii: Finish with:

'I am therefore politely but clearly requesting that Nick Ross be removed from any BBC productions (whichever outlet) forthwith. I am one of many who not only find his rape apologist views deeply offensive; but also deeply offended that via my licence fee to you - IF he remains in any receipt of your employ (whether 'self-employed' or otherwise) - then I will be DIRECTLY funding the payments to someone in a position that de facto carries a duty of care via his former employ by you vis 'Crime'; yet whose written views (presumably to attempt to sell copies of his forthcoming book, itself solely built on the fact that he has a 'link' to crime via his then employ BY THE BBC as Co-Presenter of 'Crimewatch') are damaging; misguided (to put it politely); & offensive beyond belief.

Further, it seems Mr Ross is now claiming it was the Sub who wrote Header who is responsible for 'misrepresentation' of what Mr Ross actually 'meant'. Manifestly this is untrue. A Sub may WELL have written the header - but Mr Ross wrote the article and all within it.

This is all the worse for the fact it has occurred whilst Operation Yewtree is still continuing, and which - whilst final enquiry outcome yet to be announced - it is utterly clear that previous presenters used the plausibility of their postions at the BBC to aid their own repugnant actions: E.G. Stuart Hall has admitted he had a 'room' at the BBC - separate to any production rooms, or hair & make up, or his own dressing room - that was specifically used to commit acts of abuse.

Whilst I accept all you can now do is apologise for the past and any possible failings of the BBC vis ANY matters pertaining to abuse &/or impact of sexual abuse/sexual violence; manifestly this is right here and right now, ergo you CAN and must act on this as a matter of urgency as many people are being hugely damaged by this RIGHT NOW.

And many of us believe that if you do NOT; that if you make a CHOICE not to; then it will aggrevate what is already a clear view of the BBC as complicit in acts; deeds; or words which in any way have previously facilitated; then & since potentially propogated; or now - via silence if THAT is what the Corporation choses - condoning both sexual violence of any kind via support for someone who DOES remain a 'face' of the BBC and who has now (and this is in reality the very minimum of what Mr Ross has acutally done) very clearly dismissed and diminished the traumas of all victims of rape. The latter something the Corporation WILL now unequivoally be complicit in doing if it does not act upon this matter via a very clear statement both condemning those views per se, and also very clearly disassociatiating itself from holding and with due speed.^

May I please request a formal acknoweldgement to this mail within 24 hours, and then a further mail confirming what action you are taking regarding Mr Ross & his further engagment at the BBC within the next 7 days.

Kind regards,
MY NAME.

2: Formally complain to his 'agent' - who in this case, unbelievably, IS clearly his wife (clearly he is 'past it' enough now to not even have a proper agent - hence poss his chasing the £££ via lame/vile book & de facto PR for 'book' driven piece in DM).

[Separately, perhaps his wife/agent may explain under what circumstances she would view someone else forcing their penis into her as 'rape'?]

Contact details below:
[NB: Dear MNHQ - ALL of these are freely available online and on/via his own website, so NO confidentiality broken by placing here]

Sarah Caplin
Telephone: +44 (0)20 7243 1325
Mobile: +44 (0)7770 746 471
Fax: +44 (0)20 7792 9200
Email: [email protected]
Address: Sarah Caplin
PO Box 999
London W2 4XT

3: His twitter account is Nick Ross - @nickrosscom

If ON Twitter, suggest a friendly tweet? With RapeIsRapeBlameThe Rapist hashtag (well done whoever posted that above)

FYI - his fromer Crimewatch Presenter Colleage (& former police officer???) Jaquie Hames tweeted: that she 'could not believe this was the same man she had worked with for 17 years on 'Crimewatch'

Further FYI (& this makes me want to vom even more than am already doing today), the vile little twat has HIMSELF 3hrs ago tweeted THIS:

Just got emails via office. Thank you to the rape victims who have emailed support.

Really? REALLY Nick? How many rape victims have e-mailed 'support' - precisely HOW MANY?

As I'm really not liking your (ab)using victims of rape for your own backfilling attempts at damage limitation here - so I'd LOVE to know how many' rape victims mailed YOU support as claimed?

AND also, how many - when so many victims WILL be re-traumatised today c/o YOU telling them it was 'their fault' and comparing them to 'a laptop left on a backseat' (so the number is probably lower than the ACTUAL number of us who ARE all appalled) contacts you have had via e-mail/twitter/DM Press Office/BBC Press Office that are NOT of 'support'. As you appear to have left that, slightly relelvant, number wholly out?

www.nickross.com/broadcasting/overview/

LINK BETWEEN HIS 'BOOK' AND POSITION AT BBC IS UBER CLEAR ON ABOVE PAGE/N.R.'s own website.

I.E. ON HIS OWN SITE. SO BBC CANNOT/WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SAY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM.

Well, mcnewpants they could have a big gun to protect them, or a big man or failing that, they could stay in.

Alternatively, we could live in a society that says don't hurt people just because you can. But if you do, we won't blame your victim and we will severely punish you.

I continue to have this hope for Britain.

Maybe one day this radical idea might gain momentum in my country and spread to the rest of the world.

And it doesn't protect you. Anyone being assaulted, not necessarily raped women, don't fight back because they're scared of a bigger hiding if they do.

California's 'three strikes and you're out' law was wildly popular until it was realised that if you were looking at life in prison you might as well just kill your victim rather than leaving them alive to give evidence.

This whole thing about reducing vulnerability . Reducing risk

It made me think about what has happened with car theft (and I in NO WAY equate crime against property with the violent act of rape - but bear with me)

Manufacturers started to make their cars harder to steal. They fitted complicated alarm and imobiliser systems. This meant that the cars that thieves wanted to steal they couldn't steal in the old way, by meddling with wiring.

Did this stop car theft?

NO

It means that now the thieves go after the keys in order to steal the car. The steal them from the house of the owner. They take the car on a cold morning when it is being left to run outside a house. They pretend to take a car for a test drive, and when you go to swap seats, they make off in the car. Or they use threats of violence at petrol stations and traffic lights to make people get out of the car so they can drive it away.

The problem is not with those pesky car owners flaunting their unprotected cars. When you protect the car, when you reduce its vulnerability, it just means that they will go after another car, or use a different technique.

The problem is the car thieves, not the vulnerability of the cars.

The problems is the rapists, not the vulnerability of the women.

Stoic: "My only comments on NR are CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT - STUPID FUCKING BORDERLINE EVIL CUNT."

I couldn't have put it better myself.

My 99yo neighbour was the victim of a distraction robbery today.. A well dressed man called, claiming to be from the Water Service and she let him into the house. Her carer arrived and he scarpered.

She is feeling frightened, vulnerable and stupid. She blames herself. It doesn't mean that she is now an expert on burglary and it doesn't mean she bears any responsibility for the crime perpetrated against her.

One of my Pakistani male doctor friends believes women should cover up totally to protect themselves from men - many of his female friends actually do wear burkhas for that reason, or full face veils.

I explained to him that a in a situation where a rapist is present they will know that the burkha-wearer is a woman and attack anyway if given the opportunity.

His answer is that women should be escorted like his female friends are. He cannot understand in what situation a women would be unescorted.

But that is in my friend's culture and upbringing, he lives in Northern Pakistan and in my view it's sad that women there are oppressed by men.

Nick Ross is from the UK, not Northern Pakistan.

Yet what is so different in the UK?

Rapists escape justice on a regular basis in the UK.

Women who are rape victims are blamed for wearing the 'wrong' outfit, for being unescorted, for their behaviour or just for being a woman.

Would Nick Ross like us to be oppressed in the UK too? Does he miss the point, as does my friend, that a rapist will attack despite all precautions?

Personally i am routinely unescorted, i do 'cover up' (it's cold!!) but my outfits can reveal my figure as do most Western clothes.

Perhaps 'living alone' means i'm being provocative. After all, i leave my laptop on view in the kitchen - when i'm typing on it!!! FFS!!

Help! I'm on the iPad and I want to copy Stoic's post but can't. Anyone know how to do it?

GREAT post Stoic.
Jux, on mine you press our finger on the screen and it should bring up an option to select and copy text.

What's especially irritating is that the smug git presents all this stuff as new and original, whereas I've head the same tired old crap about women being at blame since the 1970s when I was a kid. What would be original would be if someone actually tried to get more cases to court, and more convictions.

Latara, your friend may be from Pakistan, but he's plainly educated. So where he's from is not excuse for being, and I'm sorry for my intemperate language, a sexist gobshite.
Please tell us where he practices - I don't want anyone with views like that getting near treating me, or my family.

I think your friend is telling you he's a rapist Latara.

He plainly thinks all men are (otherwise women wouldn't need to be covered and escorted) and he's a man.

He's telling you what he is.

In the light of all the child sex abuse stories recently, it makes me wonder what nick Ross and his like would say that these children have done wrong to become targets. It can't be the abusers fault, obviously.

Thank you stoic that is v helpful and I will do it.

This came up in my twitter feed, suggesting that he's always been a twat.

He really is an arrogant twat.

All the women he's worked with certainly have worked with a "minger".

What a charmer.

He's never really been on my radar before aside from being 'that guy' who presents Crimewatch. But my oh my, it does seem as though he has always been a colossal twat.

The full chapter linked to above is the most backlashy piece of writing I've seen in ages. It's M R E tastic. And very poorly reasearched, given his access to those who know something about what he is writing.

I think I'll just leave you all be in your own little world of non-experience. I can tell from the writing style that most of you know jack shit of life for many women and you don't want to know

You can tell from the writing style?

Oh, bless your little heart.

I would imagine, genius, that we each know roughly as much about life for many women as you do. It has fuck all to do with how we write.