Nick Ross on rape - warning you may feel the need to punch a wall

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sorry it's a daily mail link.

I am full of rage, particularly his comments on aggravated rape. Wtf. Presumably he means that there are situations in which he will not be able to stop himself from raping someone because it is aggravated. This has made me so angry. Please they'll me he no longer works for the BBC. I truly hope he loses his career over this. How the hell are we supposed to educate people who think like this?

Why yes coalfust, I have managed to " grasp" the idea of consent. I have been the victim of sexual assualt, so its not that complicated for me. It was a flippant fucking comment, about a nasty, victim blaming, attention seeking tosspot, so I can't say I am that repentant really.

Don't really want to bring my sex life into it, that's another thread in relationships lol.

I have previously not thought much of Owen Jones but I am revising my opinion, that article is spot on.

Re. drunk sex ... it's none of my business either, but I'd say drunk sex can be great fun, when you both feel safe and maybe a bit silly, and it's different from confident sober sex. I suppose if someone only ever feels confident when drunk, that's an issue, but off-topic really.

I really like Owen Jones, unlike most other lefty-boys, he's genuinely committed to women's equality IMO.

FFS women - pull yourselves together. This type of shit does no one any favours.

On one hand you say women have no culpability - are we all little dears with no sense of personal responsibility?.....not a very 'feminist' view surely? Is it down to the men to do a Walter Raleigh and lay down their cloak?

On t'other it has been argued in the Tia Sharpe case thread that they must have seen the red flags.......so why does a woman out on her own who gets pissed not condemned for ignoring the 'flags'?

Nick Ross's wife is Sarah Caplin, co-founder of CHILDLINE with her cousin
Esther Ranzten (Jimmy Savile's pal). Does his book excuse some paedophiles? It's scary stuff.

I like Owen Jones too. I think he gets it. I am fascinated as to why so many others don't. We are all supposed to think, these days, that we are all being brought up with the same cultural references, but are continually brought up short with the knowledge that we aren't.

Flippant comments without an obvious sarcastic signpost have no place in rape discussion. How on earth would you think otherwise?

Oh sorry Sheldon. Next time I will signpost my sarcasm adequately.

minnehaha, you are thinking that MN is of one mind. MN posters are not. The responsibility for raping (or murdering) someone lays on the perpetrators shoulders.

Not raping is not akin to laying down a cloak. Unless you think that all men are rapists and they are being chivalrous by not penetrating you without your consent?

Stop being a tosser. Wishing rape on anyone is grim.

That's good to know, basil - maybe I saw him on a bad day before.

sunny that is horrible. And scary.

being in a relationship with someone you may see red flags but often abusers are by good at hiding them or justifying their actions

not sure what the red flag is we are meant to be looking for if we happen to drink a little too much and part ways with friends and go home alone I do not think rapists tend to inform you in any way that they are rapists

So as a woman I will always demand that I have full and total consent as to who I have sex with only a rapist would want to ignore that and what condition I am in or where I happen to be is irrelevant

Do I now ask what socioeconomic group you belong to Sunny?

Owen has always been commited in this area. On Any Questions last year that king of odious toads Kelvin McKenzie made a nasty comment about working class women and their weight and Owen had a go at him for it.
There have also been other occasions where he has pulled people up for making similar comments.

ODFO minnehaha.

None of you do any favours to your sex; a sentiment compounded by Sunny's response to me

Dry your eyes and run along, there's a dear.

dark - ok, fair enough, I feel I've misjudged him!

I don't think expecting not to be raped makes 'our sex' anything other than reasonable :)

minnehaha, I get the impression from your posts that you're not a fan of your sex. I'm sure you're big enough to deal with a strong no to a bitchy question.

Nick Ross about to try to justify himself on Five Live any minute now and they are actually having a phone in called "Are women partly responsible" jesus wept.

I grew up with a sister who was openly gay and very radical in her views....I think she may have baulked at some of the views here

5Live are shocking when it comes to rape issues.

Obviously not very radical, then.

Mind you, when people say 'openly gay' like the default option is the closet, you do get the sense the context might not be entirely unrepressed.