Any police or criminal lawyers out there? Wwyd?

[ZenNudist]

Not name changed, maybe I should. Thinking about something horrible. Need advice of the MN kind.

Someone has screwed my family over in business. Been the worst kind of grasping self interested evil person. Taken everything they can then turned round and stabbed us all in the back.

The thing is I've found out this person has broken the law. They are a speed freak and given to driving too fast. Not just 35 in a 30 zone. Like over 100mph all the time. At least 3 times they have persuaded family members or paid friend's to take points for them. They'd have a licence ban by now if not.

I wondered if I could report this and if so to whom? I know that speed cameras take photos so they can prove who was speeding. I don't know if the record would still be kept. if we could tell the police would this person would get a licence ban & a criminal record?

Leaving aside the morality of this, which I'd still think hard about, is it even practical?

HR have told us to suspend her pending disciplinary (over poaching staff & setting up own competing business). I expect her to quit rather than hang about. She doesn't want the job, she's been plotting to leave anyway. We won't be able to raise the criminal offence. We also don't want to show our hand.

I'm going to talk to police via 101 (after I've asked in pepipoo - good resource thanks). I am still wavering.

When I woke up this morning I was thinking vengeful thoughts and it made me feel sick. Now I'm just worried & sad. Dh is going home to sort out the mess created by this woman so holiday is ruined .

I don't know why she would do this to us. We have been nothing but good to her - given her a job, let her live in a family property (with db) rent and bill free, bought a sodding lovely company car for her way nicer than anything my family were driving as she was sales person and needed it, took her on holiday with us. how much of an ungrateful, selfish person do you have to be to try and wreck what we have been working so hard for?

Whoever said I need distance is damn right. I will take this week to calm down. There is nothing I can do for here.

You know what? I have changed my mind. I say that if you can calmly reason that you are acting in the best interests of all concerned and not out of bitter revenge, I say you ought to at least investigate how it may be viewed by the police?

Given the fact that she has got people to LIE and say they were driving YOUR company's car, I think that you might have a case against them for driving without your permission (?) If they challenge it, you can get the photos from the police (they are bound to hold onto them)

The thing is, if she HAD taken all the points, she would have lost her licence and her job most likely ANYWAY. Wouldn't your contract with her, given the company car etc, stipulate a clean licence? Is that not part of the reasons for a tracker? Given that you have that tracking information on the vehicle which PROVES way beyond excessive speeding and potentially the speeding fine fraud, and that it is with a vehicle that your company insures, I think you ought to at least investigate your position here from a legal stand point.

Put it this way, what if she hits someone and kills them tonight (Heaven forbid)and your company had a position whereby it could have taken that weapon off her hands earlier... You could potentially be exposed to civil action yourself perhaps.

Sentencing guidelines for anyone caught speeding at 100mph or more are that the person gets an automatic ban aren't they? So have mum and gran actually taken driving bans on behalf of this person? I think if you do decide to take this further you need to be sure of your facts as the alleged speeding sounds too extreme to result in a course or three points.

At the time of the Huhne/Price affair I read that in most cases where someone took the points for another and subsequently admitted it the penalty could be as low as a caution; the reason the Huhne thing went so far was because he denied guilt right until the last minute. So I don't think you are necessarily condemning anyone to jail if you pursue this.

There was a case when Christine Hamilton (wife of Neil) defended a speeding fine when her vehicle had been caught speeding on camera by saying she genuinely couldn't remember who was driving. She was acquitted so I can only assume in that case at least the picture wasn't clear enough to see who was driving.

I don't know about calm reasoning hissy. I'm a lot calmer than I was this morning. We will take what comes, fire her, see what she does in competition, litigate if need be. Dm is pretty incensed, she loves a feud so this one could set to run and run.

On the car front I've listened to the people on this thread. Im going to discuss it with police. Then see what can be done.

mysteryfairy thats some food for thought. The mother is a repeat offender in lying to help her daughter, it's not some one off lapse in judgement. The gran is dragged in too, the (soon to be ex) employee has done this over & over, she deserves a driving ban before she kills herself or others.

Dh has agreed to find out if the car tracker system is legally admissible as evidence and if it is I've told him to shop her straight away for driving at 100mph+. Thats the simplest way to get her off the road and do our duty as she's a hazard. The obstruction of justice thing can follow if/when we make statements about the 100mph+ driving.

I'm not feeling vengeful. I'm feeling rung out & sad. As for the future we will push on & do our best. This bitch of a woman will never be happy, she's on a pretty bleak path anyway. We've been screwed over before it's just part of life. We will deal with it as it comes.

Take your time Zen, you and DM hold the power here, please see that, it will help you calm.

Being hot headed will not help any of you, you need cold, ice cold fury! It gives you a focus and strength that is truly awesome.

Explore the options. Sit. think, THEN decide.