to be sickened by the level of violence and gore in horror films these days?

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...and the sheer volume of them??

DP and I went to hire a film Saturday night as a treat and couldn't believe just how many of these films were on the New Arrivals shelves.

Various plots on abduction, torture, force, maiming, etc.

I guess I just don't get why people are entertained by these films? I find them disturbing at best and absolutely disgusting at worst.

I just don't want those types of things in my head, and I worry there's a generation out there that will in some way become desensitised to this level of violence by making these films "cool" to watch with friends.

I remember being shocked by Scream when I was a teen, but these now are a billion times worse!

AIBU?

'Claig, so basically you're saying that you'd rather read and be exposed to censored, indoctrinated bullshit, rather than be told the real truth?'

No, I have already said that I do not read the Guardian.
I want the facts but without the gory detail.

Film 'censors' are actually more interested in making sure a film is in the right category, not to removed things that make us feel uncomfortable.

When censorship was rife thanks to good old Mary Whitehouse, the industry still thrived, underground, and then it was impossible to know who was watching what... the black market doesn't care who sees their goods so long as they're sold. Prohibition does not work.

I am all for correct certification, and am all for more laws to prevent children from being sold films and games that are WAY beyond what is reasonable for a developing brain to view. I would even support some kind of guidelines to ensure that those with a history of violence are monitored better whether they watch gore or not and I think that an awareness of MH care, action, help and intervention would be much more valuable than removing anything that may prompt a very BAD IDEA.

Schro-dont worry im sure i would of heard about it from somewhere eventually,i seem to have this wierd curiosity thing when someone says dont watch this its upsetting it makes me want to go and find out why!

Also read the synopsis for human centipede two and that involved a baby and really upset me too,i doubt i would be able to watch any of those films just reading about them stays with me for too long.

Here is a report on how violent games and movies are desensitising young men to violence.

'Dr Grafman said: 'The implications of this are many and include the idea that continued exposure to violent videos will make an adolescent less sensitive to violence, more accepting of violence and more likely to commit aggressive acts since the emotional component associated with aggression is reduced and normally acts as a brake on aggressive behaviour.

'No prior study has examined this from the complete perspective we had.'
The study also found boys who had the most exposure to violent media in their daily lives, as measured by screening tests and questions in their initial meeting with the researchers, showed the greatest desensitisation.'

www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1321627/Violent-films-video-games-TV-shows-DO-make-boys-aggressive.html

And I don't buy the 18 year limit. I think there is no difference on the effect that this crap has on a 17 year old and 364 days as sopposed to an 18 year old and 1 day.

And 50 year old thugs and football hooligans are just as influenced by this tide of crap and violence as teenagers are, in my opinion.

Amber I watched that too, it was awful but not nearly as bad as the other movie.

SPOILER ALERT The Mother and baby survived btw.

Our school education programme is in part a socialisation process to teach children to be kind and good and well-behaved and not to hurt or bully others.

And then as young adults they are exposed to a tide of violent games and movies which depict gratuitous violence and ask them to participate in games that enact it.

Claig You are wasting your time quoting the Daily Fail over and over, there are very few on this site who will give it the time of day.

Schro really?how do you know?is there a 3rd one?

I fear you are right. Which is why we are going to hell in a handcart and violent gore is becoming more and more mainstream.

Need and Claig, do you realise that a film maker hasn't just come up with these plots? Ed Gein, for example has inspired Leather Face from the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, as well as hundreds of bits/characters in other horror film. Hostel is one up from snuff films, were real people can be purchased and killed for fun. The HC came from Nazi experiments, there were some really sick experiments carried out in Japan. We need to know what happens in the world, as we all vote. We also need to acknowledge what has happened, that is why "Holocaust Denial" couldn't continue. We need the details, so we know how bad things are, otherwise how can we work towards stopping them? What happened in Nazi Germany, happened because it was ignored. What happens in horror film isn't an invention, it is happening somewhere in the world, now.

Claig I disagree. The problem is not the films it's the society that does a disservice to people on every level. Consumerism leaves a person empty when there's nothing BUT consumerism.

I agree that the disillusioned are more likely to lose themselves in fantasy than a happy stable fulfilled person would be, whatever that fantasy is. I agree that some of those fantasies carry potential dangers to a disillusioned mind.

The films/games/music are not the problem, the fact that they can be linked to violent acts is indicitive of a symptom, they are not the cause.

Sort out society and levels of violence will decrease. And by sorting out I mean endevouring to give everyone a sense of LIFE, fulfillment, opportunity to work hard for good rewards, people in power leading by example, less corporate greed, less credit, more acknowledgement of the human being.

The films will still exist, but within a healthy society, less people will be inclined to act them out in reality.

"Claig You are wasting your time quoting the Daily Fail over and over, there are very few on this site who will give it the time of day.

Erm, every other thread seems to be DM link these days! I beg to differ!

Amber She got away at the end of the movie and had the baby in the car? I assumed she survived, don't think there is a third one.

Oh no actually... I don't think the baby did.

Sorry. :(

From And most of the replies are people saying what a waste of the the DM is and how they wont click on the link as they refuse to give them views.

Yeah it said something bad happened to the baby in the thing i read.trying not to think about it!

Birds, we need to know history and we need to what evil acts have been committed. But we don't need to see horrors and tortures reenacted in graphic, gory detail for entertainment. Horrors and tortures are traumatising and should not be reenacted. They should be reported on but there is no need to portray the graphic detail.

Claig, the "50 year old football hooligan" came from a time when male violence was acceptable. I grew up in that time, I am in my 40's. "Paki and Gay" bashing was also seen as a lifestyle choice. DV wasn't illegal, as wasn't rape in marriage. Schools were violent, with little more than a telling off, as was prisons, YOI, there was still corporal punishment. "They" best re-think things, because as we get more gore, we are alongside becoming more controlled, it is having the opposite effect, if what you say is true.

Sorry again Amber.

"They" best re-think things, because as we get more gore, we are alongside becoming more controlled, it is having the opposite effect, if what you say is true.

Yes, we are becoming more controlled and regulated while at the same time becoming more desensitised.

That is exactly what happened in Orwell's dystopian vision of the future, 1984, too.

I remember they tried horror films without the violence and gore; there was one where a woman was knitting, and dropped her ball of wool and it unravelled all over the floor. She spent ages trying to re-roll it and she had to get the sweater finished by next morning.

It didn't do very well at the test screenings.

Claig, I think we do need to know the details. Our government and that of the US has benefited from many atrocities and "experiments" from the past. I can remember it being argued that the Nazi war criminals were old men and should be left alone. It was important to know the extent of what they did, so we can make informed choices. The same when the discussion whether war criminals should be bought to the UK alive, or kill them if there is a possibility of escape. We are often not talking about children being lined up and shot, we need to know what some people are capable of, to, as I say, make informed choices about how to counteract that. The same with mistakes made by the US Army in Vietnam, this allows us to re-think the age of our Army and how we train and organise the troops and the help when they return home. This information shouldn't be for a privileged few, that would be setting up a "them" and "us".

Claig, I think we do need to know the details. Our government and that of the US has benefited from many atrocities and "experiments" from the past. I can remember it being argued that the Nazi war criminals were old men and should be left alone. It was important to know the extent of what they did, so we can make informed choices. The same when the discussion whether war criminals should be bought to the UK alive, or kill them if there is a possibility of escape. We are often not talking about children being lined up and shot, we need to know what some people are capable of, to, as I say, make informed choices about how to counteract that. The same with mistakes made by the US Army in Vietnam, this allows us to re-think the age of our Army and how we train and organise the troops and the help when they return home. This information shouldn't be for a privileged few, that would be setting up a "them" and "us".

'there was one where a woman was knitting, and dropped her ball of wool and it unravelled all over the floor. She spent ages trying to re-roll it and she had to get the sweater finished by next morning.'

That sounds like one of these avant-garde type films, and I expect the critics gave it great reviews.

I would never vote for people who want to control what I choose to watch.

I understand that films are.not real ...thus I am not desensitized to violence ...just to fake blood and bad acting