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AIBU?

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Prince Harry

230 replies

emeraldgirl1 · 10/05/2013 00:02

AIBU to find it impossible NOT to have a sneaky crush?

Like pretty much every grown woman in America, apparently...

Blush

Only a few years ago I was openly mocking a friend for her minor obsession with him.

And oh god I have just realised my mum fancies him too... Blush Blush

OP posts:
LtEveDallas · 11/05/2013 19:07

Jamdonut, my Welsh MIL taught me that one, although I think there are other versions:

Taffy was a Welshman
Taffy was a thief
Taffy came to my house
And stole a piece of beef.

I went to Taffy's house
Taffy was not home
Taffy came to my house
And stole a marrow bone.

I went to Taffy's house
Taffy was not in
Taffy came to my house
And stole a silver pin.

I went to Taffy's house
Taffy was in bed
I took up a poker
And threw it at his head

BegoniaBampot · 11/05/2013 19:15

I'm not a royalist but think for a child who has been brought up to deal with some of the traumatic, dysfunctional things that he has - he seems to be quite well balanced and productive. my kids upbringing has been a picnic compared to his.

regarding words - I grew up using terms like paki shop, tally van and chinki without ever realising or meaning it to be racist. I don't use them now that i realise that they can cause offence.

Iamsparklyknickers · 11/05/2013 20:44

"Harry's a dim little Kraut"

Interesting way to cement credibility when decrying racist comments Hmm

rambososcar · 11/05/2013 23:43

""Harry's a dim little Kraut"
Interesting way to cement credibility when decrying racist comments"

At last! You didn't "get" it, but at least it's been picked up on! Grin

Of course it's an unacceptable way to speak - even of someone of "Kraut" ancestry by someone of "Kraut" ancestry - but I was wondering how a racist dig at the Prince no less would be perceived by LtEve, who seemed intent upon defending him.

Unfortunately she ignored the comment, so I didn't get the amusement value I was aiming for. Grin

rambososcar · 11/05/2013 23:44

PS - it is perfectly reasonable for me to continue to call him dim though!

ajandjjmum · 11/05/2013 23:53

Can you fly an Apache rambo?

rambososcar · 12/05/2013 00:00

No, I can't fly an Apache, ajandjjmum. I've never had the desire to learn, not being fond of the concept of going to foreign countries and blasting the shit out of other human beings. Hmm

I have got a good degree and not just a couple of A levels in art and geography though.

seeker · 12/05/2013 01:01

So we're only allowed a view if we can fly an Apache? Interesting standpoint!

Eliza600 · 12/05/2013 03:16

So Harry calls turban wearers 'ragheads' and mentions 'Pakis'...so what? Like it or lump it, the majority of the white British indigenous population use those words and presumably have similar opinions to Harry's.

It's certainly commonplace terminology among my family, friends and colleagues, of whom most are university educated and intelligent.

Harry seems a bit dim but I quite like him.

squoosh · 12/05/2013 03:38

'It's certainly commonplace terminology among my family, friends and colleagues, of whom most are university educated and intelligent.'

Maybe they aren't as intelligent as you claim and clearly they need more education.

seeker · 12/05/2013 07:48

Yep- sadly there are plenty of university educated, intelligent racists!

ajandjjmum · 12/05/2013 08:33

Don't be ridiculous Seeker - where does it say that? My point is that rambo called him 'dim', when the fact is that anyone who can fly an Apache is clearly not dim.

I can't believe the personal nastiness here about someone none of us know, but by virtue of the fact that every time he speaks or goes out, his every utterance is recorded to be commented on for years in the future. He's done bloody well to only have a handful of non PC errors for everyone to keep regurgitating. Poor chap.

seeker · 12/05/2013 08:58

You have to have a particular sort of brain to fly an Apache- just as you have to have a particular sort of brain to be an international footballer.

But you also have to have a particular sort of brain to emerge from one of the best schools in the world with two indifferent A levels!

ajandjjmum · 12/05/2013 09:21

Absolutely - but who are we to judge which sort of brain is better? There's a place for everyone in this world, and none of us are better than anyone else, and by my reckoning, shouldn't be judged dependent upon how many A levels they have achieved.

He's done more (through being in a position to do so) to help others than most of us will ever do. Good for him for caring.

But he's got red hair, crap A levels, 'foot in mouth' syndrome occasionally, and on that reckoning (according to many on this thread) he's a bad lot. I disagree.

LtEveDallas · 12/05/2013 10:17

He's currently doing a fantastic job in promoting the Warrior Games. I hope he does persuade the powers that be to bring them to UK Warrior Games

ComposHat · 12/05/2013 10:58

So Harry calls turban wearers 'ragheads' and mentions 'Pakis'...so what? Like it or lump it, the majority of the white British indigenous population use those words and presumably have similar opinions to Harry's

Really? Maybe in your world, certainly not in mine, but then I don't hang out with racists.

LtEveDallas · 12/05/2013 13:11

The 'raghead' comment whilst unpleasant was in reference to Taleban Insurgents / Terrorists, not 'turban wearers' and IIRC came about when his friend put on a camouflage veil, not a turban?

The 'Paki' comment was unacceptable, but was more a horrible nickname given to a friend than a racist slur (in context, my Welsh, mixed race DH was called 'Mehmet' throughout his Army career, another friend was known by all, including his superiors, as 'Fub' because he was a fucking ugly bastard.) 'Our Little Paki friend' was wrong, and he was an idiot to use the term (even if everyone else, including the recipient, was). But he made a full and unreserved apology that was accepted by the wronged party. He was also subject to military discipline, as any other soldier would be if they been such a dick.

The Nazi uniform was at a bad taste party, again foolish, but no worse than any other outfit being worn.

As for Vegas? Well, meh. What goes on in a single mans hotel room is nothing to do with me Grin I went on an 18 to 30s holiday after my first operational tour - my mother would be horrified

His mistakes took place in 2005 and 2006. He has since proved himself time and again. He has undertaken 2 major tours of Afghan, taken part in a number of gruelling charity events, raised thousands of pounds and given these charities and events priceless attention and promotion.

It is 2013, 8 years have passed. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and judge him on his current standing and actions.

ajandjjmum · 12/05/2013 13:21

What you fail to understand LtEve, is that many people on MN have never made a mistake in their lives! Grin

Lizzabadger · 12/05/2013 13:31

While we're on the subject:

uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120111100212AA302My

ComposHat · 12/05/2013 13:50

Yes I had heard avout Lord Porchester and Liz. There is a superficial resemblance between him and randy Andy. if she did who can blame her, Phil has had mistresses a plenty

MerkinMaker · 12/05/2013 14:12

I think it's a shame that people point to his A level results. Some people are just not suited to further eduction and are more technically minded there is nothing wrong with that.

If he was just an 'average joe', would people be as condescending regarding his 'lack of intelligence'?

seeker · 12/05/2013 14:13

I have made loads of mistakes. I have never, however, accidentally called someone a apart or a rag head! It's not the sort of thing you do by accident!

TSSDNCOP · 12/05/2013 14:22

The thing is, if you know what you want to do is join up and fly Apaches what's the point of taking exams in subjects you don't enjoy? I wouldn't take a maths A level if I didn't bloody have to!

3 stupid indiscretions aside by the age of 28 with the worlds press ready to dissect every move you make doesn't make me want to lynch him. Some are ready to condemn forever on those reports, without bothering to consider the press slant placed on them or the lessons Prince Harry learned as a consequence. Certainly his contempt of the media is evident.

To answer the OP question though. Yes I would, especially in his dusty t-shirt/fatigues outfit at Camp Bastion Grin

LtEveDallas · 12/05/2013 14:33

Who said it was an accident seeker? I can't see it?

Prior to MN, so 8 years ago now, I am ashamed to say that I thought mothers that didn't breastfeed were selfish, that people went 'on benefits' as a lifestyle choice, that the kid kicking off in the supermarket was just badly behaved and that 'chav' was an acceptable word (although in my world it still is, albeit as a name for a child, like toddler).

Thankfully I have been educated and I will not make those mistakes again. Coming on here has opened my eyes and made me a much better person.

Growing up (in the 80s) my favourite clothes shop was 'The Paki shop on Bristol Road'. It's what everyone called it and I didn't know any better. I would have been horrified as a teen if anyone had called me racist, as I really didn't see it. Oh and my local Chinese takeaway was actually called 'The Chinky' (it changed its name to The Rainbow some time in the 90s), again, I didn't know this was wrong and I am happy to hold my hand up and admit it. I cringe when I think about it now, and I'd be mortified if my DD said anything like that. I'm certainly not racist, and didn't use those terms as a racist slur against anyone, but now I know I shouldn't have used them at all.

But we all live and learn. I have, and considering that there haven't been any reports in this vein about Prince Harry for 8 years, I assume so has he.

If he does it again, if he said it again, then I would change my view. But right now I cannot see why people are still hung up on it. Why they feel the need to use it as a stick to beat him with, when its generally because they are anti-royal in the main.

seeker · 12/05/2013 14:42

Somebody's just told me that he said to Stephen J Amos "You don't sound like a black chap" and referred to another black colleague as Sooty.

Starting to sound a bit like a pattern..........