To feel disgusted that Elle magazine are touting porn star Sasha Grey as a "feminist"?

[Scarletohello]

So I have seen a lot of porn and Sasha Grey is a very popular porn star. Mainly because she does very extreme stuff, for example the kind of scenes where she is gagged with a man's cock to the extent that she us virtually vomiting. And she acts like she is loving it. One of the quotes in the magazine article from one of her films is, " Rip my fucking holes open". It's the most brutal, mistogynistic, woman hating porn you can possibly experience. And she is talking about it as being liberating and empowering for women. I'm no prude but her stuff sickens me. And now she's written an erotic novel and has an interview in Elle magazine where the cover line is, " writer, actress, feminist,porn star".
Makes me absolutely despair of where we as women have come to if she is being described as a "feminist". She is absolutely everything anti feminist to me. Any thoughts? Also if you have never seen her stuff, prepare to be appauled...

[Katiekitty]

Erm - can anyone answer my good questions:
Here in full as they got missed. Or else the porn fans would have answered them. Obviously.

Here are both for your convienience:

Out of intrest, what's the going rate for a violent fuck in all holes, in a porn film?

From the actress's point of view.

What does she earn, per film?

Those who talk about financial gain, come on then?

And what percentage to her agent and other costs?

What does she walk away with, after the film?


And:


All those in favour of their daughters being violently fucked as a career move.. admit it here. You've admitted it's ok for you/your friends. The same for her too? Would you be ok watching it?

And.. all those with sons, please feel free, to admit here, that you would feel proud to see him in action. Giving or revieving. Violently?

You've been vocal in your support of women being violently fucked, so come on, would you want it for your child?

I bet none of you violent porn fans answer.

END OF QUESTIONS!
Go on, answer them, I want to know your answers!

[LastMangoInParis]

Binks, erotic literature doesn't have a 'cast'. It's literature, you see. That means it's made up, words on a page. Not real people, lovey.
Oh dear.

[BinksToEnlightenment]

Ew. Who wants to see their children having any kind of sex? That's absolutely disgusting. I'm not one for hitting the report button, but I would if I was.

[sendingtheclowns]

Katiekitty, I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but I could ask the same questions about my son being a stunt motorcyclist. Would I want him to do it? No! But it's a bit irrelevant if there is a legal industry and someone does want to do it. I'm afraid your questions are a bit of a red herring

[Katiekitty]

Binks- report me if you want. I wish you felt the same about violent porn.

Send in the clowns - motor cycle stunts... yes, dangerous, but I bet folks bring along their kids to watch. Unless, it's motor cycle stunts involving anal, oral, vaginal and penis activity. I'm happy to be corrected if wrong.
If so, then, motor stunts come with a danger of death.
Does sex too? In your book?

[IneedAsockamnesty]

So what must one do to be considered to be a feminist?

[sendingtheclowns]

I'm not sure the point you're making Katie - the point I was making is that you asked would I be happy with my DC doing job X? I'm arguing that isn't a great argument for why X is a bad thing (unless there are some other reasons that one can easily make about porn) - that's all - it doesn't matter whether it's motorcycling or being a banker or a porn actress

[Katiekitty]

Send in - the point I was making is you said your son was a stunt driver.

Correct me if I'm wrong?

Performing stunt drives is different from being violently fucked.

The former involves, sorry to say: death insurance.

Oh, hang on, maybe being violently fucked does too?

Anyone know?

Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.

[LastMangoInParis]

So what must one do to be considered to be a feminist?

Well, Sock, from my humble point of view, you must:

1. Treat other women with respect.
   
2. Be prepared to engage in discussion with other people.
   
3. Be honest.
   
4. Be prepared to learn.
   

Obviously 2. and 4. might depend on how much time and energy you have at your disposal.

Other posters might have other ideas.

Why, Sock, are you wanting to be 'considered a feminist', but worried that others will find you unacceptable as such?

[FloraFox]

SG's "choice" has a damaging impact on women as a class by promoting and normalising a view of women as receptacles for violent sex. She is therefore not feminist, regardless of how she identifies herself.

A lot of the time this so-called liberal "everyone's choice is valid" bullshit boils down to "I'm okay and I don't care about other people".

[AnyFucker]

Part of being a Feminist is understanding how individual actions have an impact on wider society

[LastMangoInParis]

A lot of the time this so-called liberal "everyone's choice is valid" bullshit boils down to "I'm okay and I don't care about other people".

Yep, that or a fear of being regarded as uptight/old fashioned/naïve, yada, yada...

I sometimes think relentless 'liberalism' is to the 21st century what obsessive prudery was to middle class Victorians. And I think in the future people will look back on it as a similar kind of mass hysteria.

(And I hate the phrase 'yada, yada'. It springs to mind in relation to bullshitty 'liberals', though. And YY to 'so called'...)

[sendingtheclowns]

Katie, my son's not a stunt motorcyclist ...

[WorraLiberty]

Clouds and trees- I suggest you watch some of her stuff and tell me if you feel the same. I've watched a lot of porn and some of it can be erotic, exciting, taboo but her stuff literally makes me feel ill. I strongly feel women, especially mothers should watch some porn just to see what their partners, sons and men in general are watching..And expecting, and normalising...

Why didn't you include 'wives, daughters and women in general' in this post?

As you've proved yourself, it's not just men and boys who watch porn.

[TunipTheVegedude]

'I sometimes think relentless 'liberalism' is to the 21st century what obsessive prudery was to middle class Victorians. And I think in the future people will look back on it as a similar kind of mass hysteria.'

Interesting. You may well be right.

[BinksToEnlightenment]

But no one has answered my question - what is you think will happen as a result of these people being encouraged to have violent sex in their leisure time?

Seriously, what?

Because in my experience, afterwards we have a cuddle and a sandwich. Sometimes I have a strepsil.

I was kidding about the strepsil before anyone piles on! :o

[AnyFucker]

Yes, brilliant re. "mass hysteria"

and the people who refuse point blank to go along with it are accused of being "hysterical" manhaters who despise sex

oh, the irony

[WorraLiberty]

I would have thought it wiser to have the Strepsil first

Or you could suck a Fisherman's friend...

[AnyFucker]

Binks, you haven't answered my question about whether you agree with the pressure on 16yo's to perform anal sex, get gagged by cocks, perform blow jobs on multiple males, get roughed up etc etc is something we should be writing off as "harmless"

[ExRatty]

OP

you are very definitely not being unreasonable

[BinksToEnlightenment]

I think sixteen year olds feel under pressure to do a lot of things they haven't the maturity for. This is why porn, like alcohol, is not for under eighteens.

Now what do you think will happen to a thirty five year old who mutually enjoys this stuff with her partner?

[IneedAsockamnesty]

No mango I was just wondering. Because all I've ever really come across n here is what you can't do ( vivid memories of a shaving thread)

[FloraFox]

Binks

• they could be pressured into extreme acts when they are not mature enough to know what they are getting into
  

• they could get injured
  

• their relationships could be debased
  

• they could regret it
  

• they could be psychologically damaged by being treated like a worthless punchbag.
  

The vast majority of people do not have the type of sex depicted in these films because the vast majority of people would hate it (either to give or receive). Otherwise, we would not find these images shocking and/or this type of porn would be more common.

But hey, you're okay with it so fuck everyone else.

[BinksToEnlightenment]

Worra - the truly hardcore of us save the strepsil for later. We like to feel the burn!!