To feel disgusted that Elle magazine are touting porn star Sasha Grey as a "feminist"?

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So I have seen a lot of porn and Sasha Grey is a very popular porn star. Mainly because she does very extreme stuff, for example the kind of scenes where she is gagged with a man's cock to the extent that she us virtually vomiting. And she acts like she is loving it. One of the quotes in the magazine article from one of her films is, " Rip my fucking holes open". It's the most brutal, mistogynistic, woman hating porn you can possibly experience. And she is talking about it as being liberating and empowering for women. I'm no prude but her stuff sickens me. And now she's written an erotic novel and has an interview in Elle magazine where the cover line is, " writer, actress, feminist,porn star".
Makes me absolutely despair of where we as women have come to if she is being described as a "feminist". She is absolutely everything anti feminist to me. Any thoughts? Also if you have never seen her stuff, prepare to be appauled...

God your poor friend bogeyface

Bogey, if you are correct in thinking that porn made a difference to a judge when sentencing a rapist, then that's disgusting. But it is as a result of men, not women.

How is it make appeasing to think that women can do what they want with their own bodies? I honestly don't understand that. It's nothing to do with men.

hey, you defenders of women's "right" to have all their holes ripped on...come on over here

*open

Binks, yes, those men are being abused too.

If I ask you to hit me in the face, and you do it, you can still be prosecuted for ABH.

It's interesting that Ellle magazine is carrying this...I wonder if we are starting to see the results of pornography being so easily accessible for what must be 15 -20 years now via Internet. It seems to be presented as mainstream interest with no caveats, no critical analysis - I'm quite surprised it is in there.

However it makes a change from the usual 'Entrepreneur, human rights campaigner, actress, businesswoman ..^mother' fawning articles about Paltrow, Joliet et al

I don't agree that they are being abused. I think denying them the autonomy of their own bodies to enjoy what they chose, lest it not suit the greater good, is far more insidious.

That thread is about prostitution, not porn.

Thats an important point Katie but I think also something that has to be challenged.

You are projecting your own moral, social, political and pleasure views onto others.

I am not someone who engages in violent sex acts and it would not and is not something I can personally see pleasure in. However, others do find it pleasurable. In the same way that if Graham down the road likes his wife to take a big steaming shit on his face for his sexual pleasure or my daughter grows up to be homosexual or my son enjoys fisting, it is none of my business, I cannot and should not have the power to dictate to them where they find pleasure as long as it is in a consenting adult context.

Its similar to saying you don't want them to have tattoos or mix with a certain crowd or join the BNP, all are things which as individuals we have the right to participate in for any sort of gain, be it financial, emotional or philosophical, regardless of what our parents, friends, neighbours or whoever think.

You may have a son or daughter who for some inexplicable reason get massive emotional or intellectual gain from being violently fucked and wish to pursue that, then what are you going to do?

*MechanicalTheatre Tue 07-May-13 18:39:00
OP, you enjoy porn. Therefore you're not a feminist.

Hope that clears it up for you.

You are not the feminist police.*

I personally believe that you can enjoy porn whilst still being a feminist.

If the porn actress is being entirely consenting and simply in the business because she wants to pursue that type of career then who are we to judge her? She has made her own choice and it sounds like it's been a pretty successful one.

I know plenty of people who watch porn; it doesn't mean they don't believe in equality for women, etc.

"You may have a son or daughter who for some inexplicable reason get massive emotional or intellectual gain from being violently fucked and wish to pursue that, then what are you going to do"

What intellectual gain could you possibly get from that?

Out of intrest, what's the going rate for a violent fuck in all holes, in a porn film?

From the actress's point of view.

What does she earn, per film?

Those who talk about financial gain, come on then?

And what percentage to her agent and other costs?

What does she walk away with, after the film?

Why I asked this to be moved to relationships and not the feminist thread is because the feminist one seems to be preaching to the converted and not so many people post on it and this is a mainstream issue! it also massively affects women in terms of how their partners view sex and women. We need to talk about this stuff!!

Then leave it here or put it in chat.

It's not a relationships issue.

Binks, where do you draw the line? How is the fact that the bodily harm is inflicted during sex make it less of a crime than you hitting me in the face because I ask you too?

I believe porn is filmed prostitution.

The links are quite clear, for someone with any insight at all

All on the same spectrum...women as fuckable commodoties with holes to fill

If my son or daughter grew up to view being fucked in the arse so hard your anus eventually collapses as a shrewd career move I would consider myself failed as a parent.

I'm not going to dissect the whole reasoning behind masochism, because it would take far too long and would involve too much conjecture, but let me turn it back on you. Why do you feel so strongly that masochists must be stopped? Why do you feel that you need to help them? It really isn't your place to.

Are people really saying that porn films and how women are treated does not affect other (all) women?? That what happens to this actress is only about her and her autonomy and nothing to do with anyone else??

Sheesh!!!!!

Didn't someone once say porn is about the destruction of the woman? How can anyone defend this?

Let's not forget about the equally empowered 'holes to rip'?

At what price?

To whom?

I'm pretty sure thousands of women have fought for years and years so other women could do what they damn well pleased with there own body

They have, sock. Which is why it's horrifying that apparently Elle is effectively normalising sexual violence.

Anyfucker. I think I love you!!

It's Elle magazine. They probably used the word feminist in the hope that people like you would write to the editor (if they have a letters page) or flatter her so that she or other porn actors/actresses appear in the magazine in future.

I think that people can do one thing at work and believe in something else. For example I would work at Nestlé even though the practice of pushing formula to mothers in developing countries is immoral and I would work for a cigarette company even though cigarettes cause cancer. Likewise people can work for a council but disagree with it's policies.

Yes AnyFucker as a shrewd career move, I would be rather unimpressed myself and wonder quite why I spent all that time doing science homework or other after school activities. But what if your daughter just liked it, not as a career move but that was how she got her kicks, that aggressive anal sex was her choice of pleasure, then how would you feel?

Genuine question, not being stroppy, would you feel that (pretending for some bizarre reason you knew this was her choice of sexual pleasure) that you could dictate to her that it was wrong, she was being abused, degraded etc?

Why do you feel so strongly that masochists must be stopped?

I don't think many posters hear are braying to 'stop the masochists', Bink.
The objections are that those sassy chicks at Elle (who know that their core readership is probably all of, what 15 years old?) have decided to present porn which is particularly degrading as 'empowering'.