To feel disgusted that Elle magazine are touting porn star Sasha Grey as a "feminist"?

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So I have seen a lot of porn and Sasha Grey is a very popular porn star. Mainly because she does very extreme stuff, for example the kind of scenes where she is gagged with a man's cock to the extent that she us virtually vomiting. And she acts like she is loving it. One of the quotes in the magazine article from one of her films is, " Rip my fucking holes open". It's the most brutal, mistogynistic, woman hating porn you can possibly experience. And she is talking about it as being liberating and empowering for women. I'm no prude but her stuff sickens me. And now she's written an erotic novel and has an interview in Elle magazine where the cover line is, " writer, actress, feminist,porn star".
Makes me absolutely despair of where we as women have come to if she is being described as a "feminist". She is absolutely everything anti feminist to me. Any thoughts? Also if you have never seen her stuff, prepare to be appauled...

Blinks, it's not all about you

But it's the unbalancement of it all imo.

Ok, so she wants to be seen acting as if she is enjoying gagging on cock. Fine if it was that simple. But she is making a living and probably being paid a lot of money to be seen enjoying gagging on cock. That's the bit that is missing from the information.

Also, as can be seen here, try to make the point that in no way would you enjoy gagging on cock and you are lambasted for criticising another's choice and implications that you don't know what you are missing.

So for every porn pic showing a woman gagging on a cock there should be one showing other choices and the more normal one, imv, that gagging on cock is bluddy horrible.

This is my point, McBalls. The individual women's sex lives on this thread are fuck all to do with the point in hand

Oh, and my main point was going to be write to Elle and tell them that you are not buying the mag, that's the only thing that matters to them, sales.

I think someone upthread mentioned earnings of £200,000 grinkly Would be very interested to know how much other people men made out of her films...

Does anyone know why Sasha gave up such a lucrative, fun-filled, empowering career as choking on cocks at such a tender age? I imagine she might have had at least a few more years out if it, if she so wished.

That's exactly right, AF. It's not all about me, so you can quit the personal remarks.

There's a documentary on Netflix at the moment about life after porn. Makes some very interesting comments about the longevity of female porn careers vs men's porn careers. Ill allow you to entire a guess which group is over and done in (on average) two years...

Yes, Anyfucker , will keep it in mind for the next thread where someone says they are looking for a career move, it is obviously very well paid and fulfilling.

Agree with every word Erich says

And think it is an absolute disgrace that a magazine like Elle should promulgate the myth that you can be a porn star and a feminist. Or feature a glorified porn star at all.

Shame on them.

Quit telling us about your sex life, and we are even

pale I wonder why that might be < hmm >

Don't answer that.

I expect after two years of fulfilling and empowering anal ones arse resembles a slipper chewed by a jack Russell.

indeed

I believe the men don't fare too well, either, tbh

Pale dare I mention faecal seepage --- no that's tmi.

Seeeeeeeeeepage dahling!

Those of you on Twitter I suggest you Tweet @lorraineElle, Elle's editor and ask for her explanation for this interpretation.

I believe my last post was about shitty sandwich combinations, but I'll bear your uncalled for advice in mind.

And never attempt a reasoned discussion with you again because it's clearly beyond you. Heaven forbid we can't all be converted to your particular viewpoint by aggression alone. I guess you really don't have to act like a lady to be a feminist, huh?

< crosses Binks off the Xmas card list >

Does anyone know why Sasha gave up such a lucrative, fun-filled, empowering career as choking on cocks at such a tender age?

It's not really a laughing matter af but this did make me smile.

Yes, it's a mystery, isn't it?

I wasn't laughing either, LPO. It was a genuine question. I could google the answer I suppose, but I feel disinclined to today, tbh.

EhricLovesTeamQhuay

1) depicting violent sex in porn normalises it - yes, I believe it does. When such porn is considered mainstream and is easily accessible it ceases to be a niche product and becomes mainstream.

That's your point of view, of course. You didn't explain why you thought current sexual mores were 'normal' and what brought you to that conclusion.

2) porn is a consequence of the violence within the relationship - did you mean to put it that way round? Violence as a result of porn, yes. Not always, not entirely, but a contributory factor.

Absolutely, yes. I meant 'symptom' as much as consequence. I don't think that the porn causes the violence, I think the violence is already inherent in the individual and that they find that kind of porn appealing because that's the kind of person they are. I don't see the violence occuring because the person has watched porn, in the same way that I don't think that kids in America shoot their classmates because they watched Shooty Death Gun IV.

A feminist is someone who advocates equality of the sexes.

A masochist is someone who enjoys pain/humiliation, particularly sexual.

Sasha Grey is a masochist.

How is it possible for a masochist to be a feminist?

Why are they mutually exclusive? Surely one could still personally enjoy pain/humiliation, but still advocate equality of the sexes?

So if anyone enjoys an act which is potentially contrary to their good health, they are not a feminist?