to be very suprised at the school letter about Halal meat?

[fromparistoberlin]

opended DS bag and read a letter with a voting slip basically saying

alot of parents have asked for Halal meat (fair enough)
The school dinner providers can only do Halal OR non-Halal (erm we are in London, slightly surpised)

so we either vote for ALL Halal, or non Halal

so basically an ethical dilemna!

Vote A, feel like a bigot

Vote B, feel slightly uncomfortable that something I dont really fully understand is being imposed

I am going to write and say this is a really unfair way to handle it and they should fucking change suppliers, we are in London FFS

nice little ethical mind fuck THANKS school!

Moom I can still taste that fishy/boney texture! Urgh! What the hell is jeely piece ?? Sounds lush ha ha

I agree caffeine drip.
my son has a packed lunch and only has meat in it probably once a week(ham sandwich,sometimes prawn) and gets his daily protein via meat at home at evening meals anyway.
meat twice a day is just not needed and is probably quite unhealthy.

Might spark a bit of creativity to instead of relying on mince, sausages, breaded chicken etc vege food done well is bloody lovely and it doesn't all have to be heavy cheese sauce based.

cresent unless I have missed a post by melonman I think your last post was either slightly ott/hysterical/goady.

I don't think it was suggesting what you said at all ???

I fear this thread is about to turn in to a religious battle ... I'm off!

lol

and here we go, with the if you dont like something dont bother trying to change it just go back to your own country! "if I didn't like it I either wouldn't bloody move there"

Well twisting it all comes down to moomins point, when her MIL came to this country she wouldnt have asked, however the parents who are now asking are not people who have came to this country they are people who were born, went to school and grew up here, this is the only home they know! it is not about moving anywhere.

It is about people who are inherently part of the society making a request. They don't feel the urge to blend in or conform as their parents did, as they are already part of the society and country, this is their home, they belong here.

I am sure back in the days there were no veggie meals, did people say if you dont like it go and live in a buddhist country?

This is a survey to see how all the parents feel, if the majority like the idea then it will go ahead, if they dont it wont go ahead, because we live in a democracy!

whatam I doubt the parents are asking for only halal meat, the school is saying this is what we can provide and cant compromise. The parents of rastafarians and Jain or whatever can request the same, and like what is happening now, the school will send out a survey and see what the majority of parents think. Nothing is stopping them.

I wish more people would practice their religious values and not leave them at home.

urtwisting many muslim countries do that already, Turkey, Egypt (sharm el Sheikh anyone) Indonesia, So I don't know what you are on about, and tbh I don't know what those countries have to do with people like me who are Muslim born and raised in Britain and never been to them in my life, I can't affect change in those countries, we have no influence or say over what happens over there, because we are not Morrocan or Egyptian or whatever we are British!

whatam so would you say same for veggies? parents have to manage it, shouldnt take their beliefs in to school?

I was always comforted that their teachers understood and weren't going to feed them non veg just to spite their Muslim parents.

Just wow! Why on earth would they do that!!!

erm because they believed religion should be left at the door?

I am uneasy about a non-denominational school (I am assuming it is an ordinary school, not one affiliated to a religion) having catering arrangements put in place to suit any particular religion as anything other than an option. I don't mean halal shouldn't be an option but it shouldn't be the only option. I might not want my children to eat meat that has been "blessed" - stunned or otherwise, but I might want them to eat meat.

Schools should cater for needs where possible but all children should not have their choices restricted by the requirements of a particular religion.

I was just saying moon that I wouldn't expect muslim countrys schools to start providing non halal meat for my children.i wasn't 'picking'on muslims but the thread was about halal meat so I used that as an example.
I wouldn't expect to to visit ANY country and expect them to change ANYTHING to suit me.
why the hell should I?
if I did they would think me an arrogant English idiot and they would be right.
but god forbid I even mention the word muslim.
I expect im just a bigoted,racist Neanderthal eh?

yes you havent seem to have gotten it in your head that we are not talking about VISITORS we are talking about children who were born here and there children born here,

We are not talking about VISITING a country and expecting THEM to change things to suit me

we are talking about people who are part of US, who were born here, their kids born here, some of them grandparents born here, who are requesting a change.

This is where your prejudice shows, as you have demonstrated you view Muslims as other, not part of this society, visitors etc, it hasnt crossed your mind that they could be anything else.

their children

so nailak.are you saying that these countries would start serving non halal meat in their schools to cater for Christian kids?

Nail I still stand with what I said,
No faith should have the monopoly of how a community school eat, and if every single faith deemed it fit that their children should be wholly catered for then education would be effected as money would have to funnelled from some where. Kitchens would have to be extended , special areas designated , special pots and pans, specialist cooks ect .

It's far simpler to send the children to school with own specific requirement or stick to veggi option. It's the easier solution . The small amount of money designated for education be spent on education and don't forget the hundreds of thousands of children who don't pay for meals!

Education shouldn't have to mixed with religious beliefs . Our children should all be equal and no special treatment given.

I don't think you are being unreasonable about the way the letter has been written.
However in my opinion those parents who are saying that Halal meat is cruel and that the OP should vote NO purely on the animal cruelty issues need to get over the fact that no matter how the animal is killed - its still dead and used for meat. I'd rather my DD had Halal meat than a forced Vegetarian option that some parents have mentioned.

but nailak,this school is talking about serving either halal or not halal.
this is not catering for everyone is it?

if you talk about Muslims "visiting this country' then you do come across as arrogant and ignorant.

It is also disingenuous to describe non Halal meat as catering for Christian kids. It's not a requisite of thir religion.

Nailak I hope the idiots you are encountering on here are not getting to you too much

Good bye ladies .... This is About to turn nasty

The school is at fault for not offering a variety of meat.

I am saying that it doesnt matter what those countries do because Muslims like me who were born here have no connection to those countries, what has what some random countries decisions got to do with me living in my country asking my kids school to provide halal meat?

It is a nonsensical comparison.

If a catholic English person requests something would you turn around and say "oh would the catholic countries let protestants do that?" or whatever.

There is no connection between me or Crescent asking the school to provide halal meat (although neither of us have we both are happy with them eating veg) and anything in any other country. Can you understand that?

Because we are British, we are part of this society, we have as much right to request things as anyone else.

YOU are making us feel like we are not part of society by using words such as "visitor" and likening us to random countries that tbh we don't know that much about!

However, in American Military bases you can buy pork and alcohol in Muslim countries. Also a quick google search shows me this cominganarchy.com/2010/11/26/buying-pork-in-dubai/ showing that in Dubai they sell pork in designated sections of supermarkets for non muslims. I also know in holiday resorts in turkey, sharm el sheikh indonesia etc they obviously serve what is not halal. Further then that I don't know because I have nothing to do with those countries. Ask me about my own country I will know.

Already has turned nasty IMO

I love salmon paste me. Havent had any for years.

As for blessing...its just words. 10 minutes ago I blessed every farm animal in the UK in the name of Zeus. Does it taste funny?