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to hope the government has the guts to tax WEALTHY pensioners more

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ReallyTired · 22/04/2013 09:12

The Fabian society has suggested that wealthy pensioners pay more tax.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-22220345

Some how I can't see a conservative wanting to tax wealthy pensioners more when they all vote Tory.

I find it unfair that pensioners with an income more the average family's income get free bus buses, winter fuel allowance, TV licence as well as paying less tax and national insurance. It is about time that the the wealthy pensioners took their share of the pain of the cuts.

I am in favour of well off pensioners having free bus passes, winter fuel allowance as these things encourage independence and improve health. I would like to see the money for these things clawed back by WEALTHY pensioners paying more income tax.

OP posts:

handcream · 24/04/2013 22:08

Square, firstly dont be so cheeky. You arent paying tax at the present time!

Secondly, as I said to George, one way of cutting the debt is for YOU to go back to work..... Instead of taking the option of being a SAHM. You claim your parents will offer free child care. So what's stopping you.... Instead of looking at people that have long left the work place why dont you look at yourself.

You wouldnt have any child care costs....

And stop being so jealous of your PIL's who you clearly dislike! What you need to be more concerned about is your life and how YOU can contribute personally, not look for others to fund it.

House prices in some parts of the country enabled people to do well. However most only have one house therefore they have to live somewhere. My DM is in that postion. Unless of course you expect a 80 year old to fund your stay at home life style.....

Its good of you as well not to have an issue with people reaching retirement age. After all you will be one yourself. If you cannot afford to buy your own house - well let me think, how could you fund it.

I have a brilliant idea. Go back to work.....

ihategeorgeosborne · 24/04/2013 22:08

OK handcream, say I go back to work next year. I will earn 10k a year, so I won't pay any income tax. My husband will not need to earn 60k now so he can stay on 50k, maybe even less. He will need to be around more to help with the child distribution in any case, so he won't be a high flyer now. We will pay less tax than he does now on his own. We will not lose child benefit. We will get help with the costs of child care. The government will lose money from us. How will me going back to work give the government more money? Just wondering.

handcream · 24/04/2013 22:12

Are Square and George completely out of touch with reality. Child benefit for two children was what £120 per month. I have lost it like Janey. Child care for two children is approx £50 per day per child... Equates to £2000 per month!!

They really need to get a grip.

I have answered you. Get a job and contribute yourself.

ihategeorgeosborne · 24/04/2013 22:13

If I don't earn enough to pay tax, how will I be contributing?

handcream · 24/04/2013 22:13

George, I knew there was a 'yes but'...... If it suits you to be a SAHM fine but please dont expect others to fund it and stop looking at everyone else to support your decision.

Squarepebbles · 24/04/2013 22:13

What George said oh and no I don't dislike my inlaws I simply don't think they need benefits as err they don't.

Oh and I take it that the no opinion rule to sahms extends to all who have taken time off or who aren't working.

Squarepebbles · 24/04/2013 22:16

Oops extend that to people not earning enough to pay tax too.

handcream · 24/04/2013 22:16

George. So you are only able to earn £10k - well who will be funding your pension when you retire..... Let me take a guess..... Its us!

ihategeorgeosborne · 24/04/2013 22:17

Why in gods name would anyone pay £2000 a month in child care. It is an obscene sum of money. What sort of life style must you be living to need to send your kids to nursery and pay that amount of money.

Squarepebbles · 24/04/2013 22:17

And her dp. He'll be paying more tax than a couple on the same income.

handcream · 24/04/2013 22:18

Square - you seem really out of touch with reality especially aorund child care costs. Lucky you that you have parents who will do it for free. What's stopping you. Sorry, I forgot. You dont want to work and contribute. You want that famous 'someone' else to fund it. Perhaps me, Janey or perhaps my 80 year old mother....

ihategeorgeosborne · 24/04/2013 22:19

Why do you SAHM haters on here not have the same level of vitriol towards other low earners or non-earners even? You seem to have saved an extra special dollop for those of us who are being supported financially by responsible husbands, while we look after the children we had together.

janey68 · 24/04/2013 22:19

Ill answer that George. It's a pretty frugal lifestyle. I paid nursery fees first and foremost to keep my hand in with my career, not for all the lovely disposable income, because that was non existent during the nursery years.

Squarepebbles · 24/04/2013 22:19

Hand why are you deliberately ignoring posts.I'm currently job hunting,said that several times.

jacks365 · 24/04/2013 22:20

Lets face it all of us but George have lost cb but i am not complaining about it neither are my siblings who are also affected. Yes i did get it for years previously but at much lower rates for a long time. All my working life i've seen cuts, cuts to one thing or another quietly done so the government of the day could offer vote winning windfall ie increases in benefits by labour, tax cuts by Tories. The government used to control the bank rate so election coming up and interest rates fall.

We need to get back to a community feel instead of me me me.

handcream · 24/04/2013 22:21

George, you really have no idea do you about child care costs. How do you think some are funding it! There is some help with child care vouchers when both partners are working but really only helps a little.

Perhaps if you think the rate is too high we should all give up work and expect our partners to fund us.

echt · 24/04/2013 22:21

Possibly it's a good thing to remove a lot of the universal benefits for wealthier pensioners. The work generated will mean more employment as the government sets up the new systems to assess applications as pensioners' circumstances change.

The definition of wealthier will become progressively less wealthy as insufficient saving are generated by this method. Although...there's always the money saved through unclaimed benefits.

janey68 · 24/04/2013 22:22

Oh give over- no one has said they hate SAHM. You just want us to be saying that because it's more convenient than the truth- which is that we have no problem whatsoever with people being a SAHM, just that we don't think people should be paid for it

Squarepebbles · 24/04/2013 22:23

And dp and I have been together since uni,I have utterly facilitated his career, 22 years.

We had to fight for years to have our dc,one of us had to take a backseat- that was me.Sorry after the battle I was exhausted, a mum of 3 babies who wanted to spend time with them.

Not a crime.

handcream · 24/04/2013 22:24

I am not ignoring you Square. But you are posting some daft stuff and saying you are looking for a job but nothing yet....

janey68 · 24/04/2013 22:26

It's not a crime at all to stay at home if it suits you. Its just bloody annoying to go on about how you should be paid for it.

ihategeorgeosborne · 24/04/2013 22:26

We're going round in circles on here. Further up thread I was told that 50k a year puts me in the top 10% of earners. Now I'm being told that we don't fund our own children. Which is it? Are we in the top 10% of earners or are we scroungers?

Squarepebbles · 24/04/2013 22:26

Paying to be a sahp,what are you on about? Think you're on the wrong thread Janey.

Squarepebbles · 24/04/2013 22:27

And are pensioners on 50k rich or poor?

ihategeorgeosborne · 24/04/2013 22:29

Wow square, I've been with my dh for 22 years and we met at uni too!

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