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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to hate this pub quiz team name?

70 replies

DisorganisednotDysfunctional · 14/04/2013 21:14

I go to a quiz every week with a bunch of other mums. I've been ill a lot the last couple of months and missed about 4 weeks.

Went this week, and when the team at the next table handed us their sheet to mark I noticed their team name.

It was Dead girls don't say no Shock Sad

It literally made my blood run cold. I wanted to write "this name is disgusting" on the sheet, but the team member who does all the writing for my team wouldn't let me.

All my fellow team members thought it best just to ignore it. They were satisfied by the concession that pub landlord never reads the whole name out when they announce the scores.

Of course I wasn't there when they started. But I'm secretly (well, not so secretly now I'm posting here) somewhat shocked that my team mates haven't said anything. They're so restrained and ladylike. Don't want to make waves, perhaps. One of them's a volunteer with a rape support group, but she didn't seem to think it was important. Maybe it's not. Maybe IABU.

I went up in a break and spoke quietly to the landlord. Told him I thought the name wasn't acceptable in a civilised pub. I was surprised and pleased when he immediately agreed and said he should have done something about it himself at the start.

I told him that a girl was raped last month, only a couple of streets away from the pub, and that to me the team name made a mockery of that. He took my hand, apologised, and agreed to do something. He's going to speak to them quietly. They're customers too.

But I was shaking. It really, really upset me. Was IBU?

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LadyClariceCannockMonty · 15/04/2013 10:06

It would have made me shake too, and I (thankfully) have no experience, either first-hand or otherwise, of rape.

It would have made me shake with anger. I would have AT LEAST written 'Disgusting misogynistic team name' on the sheet (your team member 'wouldn't let you'? Hmm).

Good on you for talking to the landlord. He sounds reasonable and professional and I hope he sorts it out.

And I'm very sorry to hear about the case you're involved in. I hope it gets resolved, justice is served, and both you and the girl get through it. Thanks

DisorganisednotDysfunctional · 15/04/2013 10:45

Can you stop posting details about this rape? You seem obsessed.

Details? What you mean, that it happened? Carefully avoided details.

Guess you might be able to brush if off, but oddly enough rape does bother a small minority of the people affected by it. I realise most MNers don't give two hoots about rape, or rape victims. Confused

You're quite right that it's silly that I should mind about a 16 yo I know personally being attacked, or that it should be affecting me as long as a month later! Shock

You are a very strange woman, 2ndcoming. Sad

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TheSecondComing · 15/04/2013 10:52

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AmazingBouncingFerret · 15/04/2013 11:08

I'm with TSC on this OP.

I know we shouldn't keep quiet about rape, we should shout loud and get it out there but this is not your story to tell

As you keep saying there is a 16 year old girl that was attacked. There is an ongoing investigation.

You obviously need to talk about how it affected you but I really think at this moment in time a public forum is not it. Have you been to see a doctor about how this is affecting you?

YANBU about the pub team name it was disgusting.

FryOneFatManic · 15/04/2013 11:23

I agree the name of the team was vile. I also agree with TSC and amazing boucing ferret that a forum is not the best place for you to discuss the rape. I agree you need counselling.

You mentioned that you can't say much, that it's sub judice. But, if you keep posting threads that allude to it, you will eventually have revealed enough to threaten the legal process.

Stop posting here and get the right help in RL.

DisorganisednotDysfunctional · 15/04/2013 11:27

Do you think I gave either the real name or location? I made up both of them. Do you think her age is accurate? Doh!

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FryOneFatManic · 15/04/2013 11:41

So you made them up.. so what. It's clear from your posts that this affected you a great deal. So in posting here it would be very easy to inadvertently reveal something you shouldn't. And even though you could report that post and have it deleted, there will be enough of a delay that someone could read, recognise and get a screen shot of that post.

It's actually too much of a risk. If you value justice for your DS's friend then stop posting.

TheSecondComing · 15/04/2013 11:52

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twirlyagogo · 15/04/2013 12:19

So you've started another thread about it too?

There are other places to get help - perhaps you should be looking there. The 'very odd woman' on this thread (as you describe her in the new one) is making valid points.

NewStartInSpring · 15/04/2013 12:25

You are a very strange woman, 2ndcoming.

I think TSC has made a good point tbh.

DisorganisednotDysfunctional · 15/04/2013 12:26

As are your other threads / posts about inappropriate sexual relationships and rape. I do hope you can access some help.

I've only been on here a few months. Do people never post on inappropriate sexual relationships or rape here normally? Didn't have that impression myself, but you learn something new every day.

Must have imagined that wanking thread, I guess! And the porn stuff too... Confused

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FryOneFatManic · 15/04/2013 12:39

OP You are not helping yourself.

Of course, people make comments, but in a general context. Your posts are linked to a specific event and it is clear you would be better discussing this with a counsellor in person, rather than attempting to discuss this event on an online forum where all you have are words on a screen, no body language, no tone of voice, etc to help in discussing and working through this event.

It can be so easy to misunderstand written posts and as it's so public you could risk revealing stuff you would rather not.

Your GP may be able to make a recommendation for a counsellor, or perhaps the police could recommend someone who has experience with rape victims and their relatives/friends.

Be kind to yourself and search out this help.

RoxanneRedLight · 15/04/2013 12:42

I've only been on here a few months. Do people never post on inappropriate sexual relationships or rape here normally? Didn't have that impression myself, but you learn something new every day.

Isn't this an ongoing case though? You could jepodise it by doing this.

If you've already had one thread deleted then it should be quite obvious to you.

DisorganisednotDysfunctional · 15/04/2013 12:43

The OP wasn't about a crime. It was about the quiz team name. I wanted to check whether IWBU to find it revolting. Seems not.

As for people making comments in a general context, that's definitely not what I've seen. Very, very graphic is MN on sexual and relationship matters! And talk about specific... Smile

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RoxanneRedLight · 15/04/2013 12:47

Why the --> Smile ?

No-one is being horrible to you, more like they are being realistic and giving you helpful advice.

Maybe people have been specific and graphic. But were they about ongoing cases? - probably not.

LadyBeagleEyes · 15/04/2013 12:51

Starting another thread about this and calling a poster 'odd' is a bit Hmm Op.

DisorganisednotDysfunctional · 15/04/2013 12:57

The smile was because I've never seen such graphic discussion of RL sex and relationships until I started on MN. Some of it's a bit gross, but the thought of some of what I've seen here made me smile.

Sure, I perceive the legal issues. That's why I wrote out my post re the actual attack on a text editor & double-checked before taking the plunge, pasting and posting. Clearly I shouldn't have posted on the attack itself at all. But why does anyone think it's something I can't even mention (which is all I did in this thread when asked why I was so upset). It affected me. I think that's a bit of a no-brainer.

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FryOneFatManic · 15/04/2013 13:09

Your op wasn't just about the pub team name, you specifically mention the rape near the end of the op. The mention wasn't necessary, the landlord had already agreed to speak to the team by your account.

Mentioning the rape in this way, was almost guaranteed to get people asking you about it. Not in a voyeristic way but in making sure you have help, etc. My earlier posts have all been about you getting help you clearly need, and also that you don't give out info you shouldn't.

Sunnywithshowers · 15/04/2013 13:14

OP I remember you posting about this rape before. It was inappropriate then, and it's inappropriate now.

You need to get some real life help for yourself.

Sunnywithshowers · 15/04/2013 13:15

Guess you might be able to brush if off, but oddly enough rape does bother a small minority of the people affected by it. I realise most MNers don't give two hoots about rape, or rape victims.

And YABU for this.

merlottits · 15/04/2013 13:19

You are coming across creepy.
Starting numerous threads and weaving rape into them is alarming.

I would furious if I was the girl who was raped, or her mother, that the woman who offered to help was discussing the incident all over MN.

Find someone to discuss this with privately.

Threads about wanking are NOT the same as this. You are starting to make yourself look like someone out to titilate i.e. a hairy-handed bridge-dweller.

FryOneFatManic · 15/04/2013 13:20

OP, this >>But why does anyone think it's something I can't even mention

It's still an ongoing case. Anything could be taken as affecting the outcome, so it's wise to say nothing until the case is resolved one way or another, basically at the point when the accused is either convicted or acquitted.

MNHQ have deleted threads that relate to ongoing cases before, precisely because even speculation can cause problems.

StarsdontShine · 15/04/2013 13:23

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RoxanneRedLight · 15/04/2013 13:55

I don't really see why you needed to post this AIBU to be honest.

You knew why the name had such an negative impact on you and the Landlord had said he was going to do something about it.

Also no-one is going to say - YABU I don't see a problem with the name, it's funny. (Despite the majority of people on MN not giving a shit about rape Hmm)

So I just don't see the problem.

It's obvious you just wanted to talk about it. Which is fine, but MN is not the place for talking about an ongoing case.

You have been given good advice on who to talk to. Please listen to it.

DisorganisednotDysfunctional · 15/04/2013 14:44

I posted AIBU because I wasn't sure if I was over-reacting to this team name. Thought I might be. Seems pretty reasonable that I might worry about that.

Seems lots of other people find the name revolting too. Question answered.

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