AIBU to blame social science courses for some of this hatred of MrsT

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I did an OU foundation social science course once. A major part was the detrimental effects of redundancy and unemployment on individuals and the community. It was interesting and spelled out how lives can be devastated by this.

The example was a Yorkshire mining town. It was a good course but I wonder if those, unlike me, who weren't around at the time of the miners' strikes have got a skewed view of why things happened.

Billy Elliot touches on the strikes too I think. But no background info is given, as far as I remember.

Am just amazed at the vitriol - especially by those not directly affected. And it was a long time ago. Don't want to start another debate unless someone has a new point to make.

Honoury Colonel in Chief... You could be one too. Kate Middleton will no doubt be CiC PWRR in time. I don't believe any military training is required.

Dawndonna, do you actually read posts? Oh, wait a minute, I believe your not talking to me.

No raw nerve hit.

I have heard one or two of these 'but she didn't join up' comments. I find them cheap, and an insult to those who did and do serve, and those who served in other capacities.

Oddly I have yet to meet anyone who has actually served with this opinion.

It seems the term 'total war' or 'in it for the duration' are lost on some. Given the subject she studied, she would have been very useful. Remember the technical innovations towards the end of the war, including jet engines, which required chemical excellence.

We knew this sort of stuff during the war, hence colleges and unis stayed open.

There is nothing on the internet, but she could well have collected aluminium for spits, or cut up sheets for wounded. Just because she hasn't bigged it up about it, doesn't mean she didn't serve in some small way.

Okay, I'm bored now. Lazaruss
You are rude.
You are a boor in the true sense of the word.
I don't give a flying fuck whether I've hit a nerve or not, you made a disablist remark for which you have either refused to apologise or have been to ignorant to do so.
You right your posts as though they are facts, as though nobody in the world is right other than you.
Thatcher did nothing for the war effort during the period in which she was at university.
Oh, and by the way, as my grandfather was involved in jet engine development, I know all about it. She wasn't involved in that either.

Given the subject she studied she would have been very useful.

There is no evidence to say that she did put her chemistry knowledge to good use at any time. It's debatable whether the development of Mr Whippy is a good use of talent.

However, having said that, she did support scientific research in this country, or at least to a much greater extent than others in her position, and I am prepared to give her her due for that.

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Excellent last post DawnDonna.
I've admired your patience so far.

Lack of economic analysis makes MTs influence appear bigger than it actually was. But then people like a boggy man. And to think it could have been different if only she hadn't done x,y, z... But its just fantasy.

the mining industry would have declined. The banks would have been deregulated. The rich would have got richer because these are global forces.

Don't know about social science but given the way stats are being mis used by both sides in the media, I definitely blame a lack of maths courses :)

No you haven't, you never do!

What does ''kylite'' mean?

Lazaruss.
You take great delight in making wonderfully sweeping statements about things you really rather obviously know nothing about.
Have I met an Argentinian, How would I know about ADHD.

Kylite means a member of the scrounging underclass, Latara.

So, Lazaruss, it was a disablist comment.
I am however pleased that you've been in the forces, you've worked with Argentinians you know nothing all about the Belgrano and you've worked with statemented kids. You are obviously a very busy beaver who has far more experience of this whole world than the rest of us. So, may I suggest that you fuck of to the far side of fuck and stay there, becuase the rest of us are bored now.

Oh, just as an aside, whilst you're there,
'Arguments of ?military necessity? for sinking have a logistical problem: had it been perceived as a threat to the Task Force, that would have happened on May 1st, while it was sailing East, towards the Task Force. That didn?t happen. Only after it had turned round and had been sailing East, for 11 hours, away from the fleet, was it sunk.

That?s what it was doing.'
Taken from the Belgrano Inquiry Papers.

ODFO Lazaruss.

I was the one who talked about touching raw nerves. This was when pointed out that Mrs T had been at Oxford during the war. You then decided that I was accusing her of cowardice. Your words not mine - the thought hadn't crossed my mind. You then started discussing Blair, Lady Diana, wanted to know my service history, which since I wasn't alive then, during WWII didn't exist, and nor did it for Blair or Lady Di. It all seemed totally out of proportion to what I said.

We can't quote your exact words about ADHD because thankfully the post has been removed because it was offensive. So thanks for repeating the offence.

I do know an Argentinian.We had a good discussion last week about Mrs T. He was against the junta, was glad that she stood up to them and thinks that she helped bring about democracy there, although he doesn't like the present government there either as it happens. It's a valid viewpoint; not one that I share personally. I was able to fill him in on information about this country and why she wasn't universally loved here. We didn't fall out over it, and didn't need to insult each other, which unfortunately seems to be your position when you don't agree.

Lazarus pease leave this thread, you have proven yourself beyond ignorant and unapologetic when you were Leary in the wrong.

This is the place for intelligent exchanges of views - to personal attacks. Your posts are upleasant, and it reads as though this brings you joy which makes it far more distasteful .

Dawndonna has shown way more grace and patience in an effort to get you to demonstrate otherwise, I take my hat off to her, but she's perfectly correct now.

We are all bored now. Please leave and take your over inflated ego with you.

Lack of economic analysis makes MTs influence appear bigger than it actually was. But then people like a boggy man. And to think it could have been different if only she hadn't done x,y, z... But its just fantasy.

the mining industry would have declined. The banks would have been deregulated. The rich would have got richer because these are global forces.*

But don't you think a different PM may have handled it better?

What is it with the blokes on MN?
Why are most of them such twats?

Now i know what 'Kylite' means then i can see what a totally offensive comment that was.

How anyone could say that without embarrassment at their own unpleasantness, i don't know.

I've just looked up kylite.
Are you an arrse Lazaruss?

Dawn,

I am a hardworking soul. I enjoy it.

Re the comment, as said, work with ADHD kids work with other kids. You had a problem but apparently were unable to PM me as you wanted everyone to see. Do you think that would cow me?

Re Belgrano, it didn't matter which way she was steaming or for how long. This is something you and the so called 'inquiry' miss. She was a warship, a combatant, sailing under the flag of the enemy. she was a target. End of.

Great she sailed 11 hours away, in the South Atlantic winter seas the Conq could hae lost her, for 24 hours say, where would she be then? Reversed course?

Put your child on a boat in the taskforce (and I don't say that lightly) and then run the decision again. Is the Belgrano floating or on the seabed? That is the choice the chain of command, and ultimately Maggie made.

Re Thatcher.

The Diana bit was in response to her having a state funeral but Maggie's being wrong, why? Both married in to status. Neither served.

So why should one have a state funeral and one not? Both were great women.

La volcan, I thought I made it quite clear that I wasn't discussing your participation in WW2, hence my pointing out that the forces have been on ops SINCE 1945.

22 years, 30 odd countries visited, 9 gongs for ops picked up btw.

Why would she pm you?
This is a public forum.

Bless you Lazaruss dear, the inquiry missed it!
I think it really is time for you to leave it now.

We've established though that Diana was a Colonel in Chief, hence the military funeral, (and almost certainly as a sop to the public. As Diana said herself she wouldn't go quietly, as the Royal Family would have wished.)

We haven't yet established a reason for Mrs Thatcher's funeral with the military in attendance.