to be sulking with Game of Thrones (books) so not watch the programme? HUGE SPOILER ONLY FOR people who have read all the books

[mamapants]

SPOILER DO NOT READ IF YOU Don't want to know what happens in last book so far

Am sulking cos they killed off JS! How could he? Don't know what he was thinking! So haven't watched series 2 or 3 yet. Just can't get excited anymore

My dark minions are totally convinced that no-one dies in their own chapter so Jon not gone yet ( unlike Ned, who's dead, baby ) I reckon he's one of the heads of the Dragon, along with Dany ( naturally ) and my money's on Tyrion for number three ( no proper reason, just a feeling, I do love the little bugger! )

I think Jon will be rescued by the wildlings, not Stannis ... Mind you I'm not fussy, just as long as someone rescues him!

I'm more worried about GRRM dropping off the twig before he's sorted everything out ... I think we should go and start shoving industrial strength statins and healthy snacks through his letterbox forthwith...

You know, I'd prefer it if it was the wildlings tbh.
Didn't cat die on her pov chapter?

I feel a bit bad taking over mamapants' thread with my confused ramblings, should I/ we start our own, or is there already one out there (had a quick look but can't see any) ?

If JS is dead, then Mr Martin has other plans... it's no fairytale after all Perhaps he'll become a sexy whitewalker?

Arya is the one to watch I think. Danarys (sp) is doing my head in now, and I actually am hoping she'll cop it at some point. She's gone from hero to zero through pretty rubbish decision making and distractions.

Tyrion I adore of course... his and Arya's story's are the best by far.

I do want to know what will become of Jaime now he's met up with Brienne again, and gone off to see Catelyn (so hard to write this without too many spoilers).

While you're waiting for Mr Martin though, if you've not already read Jo Abercrombie's booksThe First Law (The Blade Itself). Similar enough to like and in some ways (imo) a little better than The Song of Ice and Fire.

I'm not actually sure it's possible to 'spoil' GoT with 'spoilers' as it twists and turns so much... I was told to watch out for the Red Wedding, and yes it was shocking and I new I was there when it happened, but there's a few red herrings isn't there?

I love the fact the there's no real clear cut goodies and baddies, the edges blur a lot, I want to shout with rage at some of my 'heroes' and often feel compassion for their enemies. Even Theon.

Twit Oh shit, she does, doesn't she! Aaargh! ( put not your faith in nerdy nephews ) Cat's not exactly dead though, just zombieficated ( clutching at straws )

This is a spoiler thread :).

Catelyn didn't die in her own POV chapter. The ravens started raking her face and the hair Ned loved and then the chapter ended and you find out what the Freys cut her throat and dumped her naked corpse in the river in a mockery of Riverrun's funeral customs. We learn that from Tyrion's chapter.

Dany saw the Red Wedding in the Palace of Dust, though, same as she saw Rhaegar with Elia and Aegon and he told her the dragon had three heads.

Dany's survived so many attempts to whack her off, though.

Baelish, I think Sansa's going to have to top him off. She hasn't killed a one yet and Arya's gone through dozens.

Ah that'd be so cool, I really hope she does, and I'd like her and/or Arya to do in Cersei, once Dany has shown her what a real woman in power looks like. Maybe with Tyrion looking on

Ooh, I wonder if Dany, Arya and Sansa could be the three dragons.

In my head I thought Cat's last thought was of something hot and red or maybe cold and red which is what I assumed to be her throat being cut? However as i have only read it a couple of times a while back i probably have it wrong
But as she isn't actually dead dead anyway, maybe JS is safe or at least 'aliiiive'

Dany's POV iN the last book was excruciating for me. She totally lost her way (lovesick teenager anyone?) but at the end of the book, she seems to have got her fire back and that scene where she is with Drogon and the khal (Jhogo?) turn up - you know she has all the power.

And you contrast that with Jon who also assumes power. He starts out really strong but ends up being betrayed. The difference (or one of the key differences) is that she has a core of loyal people and advisors around her whereas Jon sends all his loyal supporters away.

I didn't see the point of Quentyn's POV much though. I guess the consequences of his death will have more impact on future storylines.

Do you think Aegon will sit on the Iron Throne? I reckon he will, briefly anyway.

Sorry about the random thoughts .

And if you start a new thread, let me in on it twit

Me too, please post a link to any potential new thread :)

Ok, so where should it go? I've never actually started a thread people might actually read participate on

Dany is only 16 at the end of the books. And yy, she grows into her own. Dany controls her son, Drogon. And her other two, well, they were looking for her, their mother.

Jon himself is about 18 or 19.

I don't find her irritating at all, but more someone who grows into the role.

Still, at the end of the books we have Ser Kevan Lannister killed, by Varys' strange children and he tells him it is for someone, whom he identifies as male, who has come to rule not because he believes it is a right but because he knows it is his duty.

Dany had a vision of a man dying of grey death, in the Palace of Dust.

The letter, the letter Ned wrote is quashed, we never know what it says at all.

Is Jon Snow the child of Lyanna and Rhaegar? Who knows.

Targaryens took more than one wife.

She comes across far better in the books, IMO. She never forgets, that a queen's people before herself.

And from what I see in the clips, they don't have Drogon with her in the House of the Undying. He is in the books when she makes that journey, and flies with her. And her Dothraki handmaid Jhaqui comes after, and puts a bell in her hair and she reflects, that the victory was Drogon's. It was Drogon who put fire to the Undying.

Oooh - coming to this so late but also a huge fan. I had NEVER even thought that Jon could be Lyanna's and Raegars... what a corker! Of course! Makes a lot of sense. I was devastated when his mother appeared to be some woman who gave Ned a lift on the lake. I was like "Really?! Is that it?!"

Dany - for the love of God get the hell out of the slave cities and get to Westeros!

Jon not dead? Squeeee!

And I really worry about Tyrion and Jaime. Why Oh WHY did Tyrion take credit for killing Joffrey? I mean, I get the old 'may as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb' but to the only person that likes him? Really? If GRRM kills them off I'll go into full mourning.

Kytti if I remember the sequence of events right that's after jaime admits that tysha WASN'T a whore paid by him, but a girl who really loved tyrion, and jaime had never said and let his father do what he did. That had to hurt, so I reckon tyrion taking the blame was a bit of a fuck you response iykwim

Here is something to remember from the books: Danaerhys Stormborn taught her children a command they obey for her. Dracyrys. In High Valyrian, she taught them to breathe flame.

Marking place!

Oh I'm looking forward to the (next?) episode where she uses that word.

Dany saying "we are not men" in reply to "Valar Morghulis" sounds a little as if she has read Lord of the Rings and thinks that since she is more magic than Eowyn she can do anything.

Dany is great, I can't wait for her to roll up with her dragons and her blood riders and smack all the squabbling houses into shape ( hope springs eternal emoticon ) I need a female character that isn't Mad, Bad or Terminally Drippy!

If you've read the books she unfortunately gets a bit drippier than she is right now.

I was thinking of Sanza - who's soggier than a milk sandwich - Dany is the only one of all the various wannabe rulers who gives a flying fuck about the the cannon fodder - which is bad news for her prospects but makes her a lot more likable!

She gets drippy for a bit, but at the end of the last book she finds her mettle again!

Sansa isn't soggy, she's just very young - 13 - and has been abused in the extreme and has had quite a bit of trauma. Even Tyrion recognises this and doesn't hold it against her.