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AIBU?

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To think that it's perfectly fine to be pleased someone is dead when they caused such a lot of harm?

503 replies

LoopaDaLoopa · 09/04/2013 09:43

So, all these people saying it is inappropriate to speak ill of the dead are all positive and nice about Pol Pot are they? Stalin? Hitler?

Just because someone dies does not make them a nice person.

And did you feel sorry for Saddam Hussain's family? Or did it not cross your mind?

OP posts:
HoHoHoNoYouDont · 09/04/2013 11:20

Excellent posts KungFu

ImagineJL · 09/04/2013 11:21

I still agree with OP.

I think violence and destruction is totally wrong, but the fact remains that she was a nasty woman who did a lot of harm and destroyed the lives of many. Those people should be allowed to say what they like now she's dead. After all, she rode roughshod over their feelings when she was in power.

navada · 09/04/2013 11:23

Agree niceguy2. I'm so glad the majority of replies have been respectful & measured - a sure sign of maturity & intelligence.

niceguy2 · 09/04/2013 11:27

but the fact remains that she was a nasty woman who did a lot of harm and destroyed the lives of many.

Did you know her personally then? The country was hardly Utopia when she took power.

TheOriginalSteamingNit · 09/04/2013 11:27

I didn't like the jubilation about Bin laden's death, and wouldn't especially see the point of rejoicing at Thatcher's death, since her being alive wasn't causing any problem.

If she'd died in 1987 or something, that would have been different and much better.

But it does irk me a bit to be told I have to be 'respectful' or acknowledge certain things, or, to be honest, to give much of a fuck about Mark and Carol Thatcher.

I do find it depressing how many people are asking 'so what did Thatcher actually do' though.

Booyhoo · 09/04/2013 11:29

imagine

those people were all free to say what they liked about her while she was alive. they were free to celebrate when she was put out of power. that was something to celebrate. the death of an old woman, that has changed nothing and improved no-one's life is nothing to celebrate. to think it is, is very immature.

cuteboots · 09/04/2013 11:30

YABU show some respect for gods sake

ppeatfruit · 09/04/2013 11:33

LessMissAbs If you had read my posts you would've realised that sadly one of the reasons that our country is much poorer than it was is because MT sold off a lot of our industry to other countries.

Also our banks would not have gone bust if they had not been DEREGULATED in the manner of "worship the extremely rich" and fuck the unions which MT did believe in.

FasterStronger · 09/04/2013 11:33

Mrs T seems to be blamed for the ills of globalisation.

our manufacturing was always going to die.

EuroShaggleton · 09/04/2013 11:36

YABU and very immature.

ppeatfruit · 09/04/2013 11:39

Yes faster I don't just blame MT for the ills of globalisation (though she made it much easier) there should be far more control (the USA believes in protectionism).

navada · 09/04/2013 11:43

I saw someone on F/B blaming Margaret Thatcher for the Falklands war, what was she supposed to do? - just let Argentina take it? it's amazing the utter shite people are coming out with.

SoWhatIfImWorkingClass · 09/04/2013 11:45

Saddam Hussain and Hitler were scum of the earth. Perfectly reasonable to be glad they have gone. They did nothing apart from cause misery to millions- the world is a better place without them.

Same cannot be said for Margaret Thatcher. You just cannot compare the two. I know nothing about politics but I'm pretty sure she didn't mastermind the killing of millions of people.

Theicingontop · 09/04/2013 11:46

This whole thing has me puzzled.

To not celebrate her death, does not mean you're saddened by it. It means you don't give a shit, most likely. When I heard she'd died, it was a big fat oh well.

I suspect that was the case for most people, until they realised there was a bandwagon they needed to catch, spent ten minutes on wikipedia, invented some mining relatives and spent the day being dramatic and unnecessary on public forums.

FasterStronger · 09/04/2013 11:46

ppeat - but America has much more power than us. and their power is waning. their protectionism will not serve them in the long term.

Dawndonna · 09/04/2013 11:48

God, I was staying away from here for a few days.
Right, Thatcher was to blame for the Falklands. The Labour party had been close to a deal that at the time was agreeable to all parties. She rode roughshod over the lot.
She is responsible for the deregulation of the markets, the banking crisis could not have happened if it hadn't been for her.
Our manufacturing was not always going to die, it needed sorting out, not strangling.

reasonably balanced point of view
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themaltesecat · 09/04/2013 11:48

OP sounds about 12 years old.

Go easy on her.

Lueji · 09/04/2013 11:50

Saddam Hussain and Hitler were scum of the earth. Perfectly reasonable to be glad they have gone. They did nothing apart from cause misery to millions- the world is a better place without them.

Hitler's death meant the end of WWII.
Saddam Hussein's, though, was already almost unnecessary, except to prevent him from ever going back to power.

NorthernLurker · 09/04/2013 11:57

Actually the only thing Hitler's death achieved was saving the Allies the expense of a trial. Hitler committed suicide only when the Russian troops were over-running Berlin and Germany surrendered a few days afterwards. Surender was inevitable at the point Hitler killed himself. The war with Japan continued for a dew more months.

ExRatty · 09/04/2013 12:00

I think it is fair enough to hate or dislike policies or governments but not usually people. Those policies weren't purely Thatcher's.

She had a party around her and she was voted into power on three occasions. She was hardly a despot. Many of her policies continued for ever.

I'm a lefty, a complete lefty now but...
Thatcher being PM when I was a girl meant that I thought it was perfectly normal for women to have top jobs
She seemed tough and hardworking and clever and in charge. She also wasn't from anywhere posh but had been determined to do well. She was serious and forthright
I wanted to be her as a girl

Things changed massively as I grew up and my understanding of some of the policies that she and her government backed made me view Thatcher and the conservative party differently.

It doesn't change the idealism that she provided for me or the role model that she was. I thought that hard work and determination meant that you could do anything.

TheCraicDealer · 09/04/2013 12:16

Where were you reasonable lot yesterday, eh?!

Perhaps these ghoulish "death parties" have made people think again about what the real motivations behind these protests are. Really, it's just so gauche and cringey.

LessMissAbs · 09/04/2013 12:16

*LessMissAbs If you had read my posts you would've realised that sadly one of the reasons that our country is much poorer than it was is because MT sold off a lot of our industry to other countries.

Also our banks would not have gone bust if they had not been DEREGULATED in the manner of "worship the extremely rich" and fuck the unions which MT did believe in*

Oh right. Theres me, with my university education and professional career and all the effort involved in obtaining those, when all I should have done all along is read your posts, ppeatfruit. What effort, time and money I could have saved!

Good luck with the brainwashing, by the way.

ppeatfruit · 09/04/2013 12:18

Faster IMO the world would be a better place if each country was aiming at self sufficiency rather than going for the lowest priced slave labour based industrial globalisation that ruins our environment.

Shame her 'cleverness' included crass class war Exratty

DoctorAnge · 09/04/2013 12:22

Those death parties! What a buch of sad pathetic fuckers.

AnyFucker · 09/04/2013 12:23

We were here, TCD

Lost in a morass of ghoulish twattery...