To think that it's perfectly fine to be pleased someone is dead when they caused such a lot of harm?

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So, all these people saying it is inappropriate to speak ill of the dead are all positive and nice about Pol Pot are they? Stalin? Hitler?

Just because someone dies does not make them a nice person.

And did you feel sorry for Saddam Hussain's family? Or did it not cross your mind?

Part of being glad is sometimes connecting with other people who feel the same, I think there can be a lot of relief in talking things through with other people who've had the same experiences and feel the same, obviously in my situation it has been family coming together in a way they didn't feel able to when the abuser was still alive - in some cases the internet is the ideal place to do that.

I think it's okay to post on forums, blogs etc and reach out to other people.

"Yes, because naturally the deployment and operational movements of the SAS are widely known and reported, and are a matter of public record."

Actually, when most of the SAS at a certain base went off to the South Atlantic on a supposedly secret mission at the start of the Falklands crisis, everyone locally knew they'd gone because they cancelled their milk....

Yes agree Boo and Major.

I think the current overt celebrations are deeply shaming for this country.
In the aftermath of Princess Diana's death, there was much discussion of how shamefully the public had behaved, to allow themselves to wallow in grief for someone they did not really know.
Personally, I find it far more distasteful to gloat over someone's death. Especially when the gloating is being done by people who were not even alive during her term of office.

I think partying in the streets is awful she was an old woman with dementia no not a saint infact she ruined lots of lives when she was in office but dance in the street really .

sell discounted champagne (yes oddbins I'm looking at you)

There's a discount, you say mrscampbellblack?

Thanks, I'll get my skates on down to Oddbins and raise a glass to enterprise.

I don't think the dead need respect, except in the inviolable nature of graves. I think grieving people need respect. Scrutinising Thatcher's record does not disrespect those who are grieving. Celebrating it does.

agree NL.

I loathed what she stood for and what she did. But to celebrate because she is dead is wrong - her being dead doesn't change anything. Similarly I think mourning het is wrong (obv unless you knew her personally)- as her death doesn't affect you. I remember celebrating her departure as PM- but that (potentially) changed things sow as worth celebrating

Actually some good has come of her death. David Cameron has had to cut short his swanky holiday. Given that most people can't afford a holiday like that, I'm glad he had to come back early.

Your OP and your second post is at odds with your further posts.

You have changed track in the middle of your own thread because you didn't like the reposnses you were getting.

No-one is saying that you cannot speak ill of the dead - I would like you to show one single post where that has happened...

If she had died whilst in office I could understand some of the gleeful bandwagon jumping - but she didn't. She was an old woman who hadn't had any "power" in 20 years. Surely it's a bit redundant to be dancing on her grave now?

how does DC cutting short his holiday benefit anyone?

Northern you've hot the nail on the head there!
Nowt wrong with pointing out her faults and that she was no saint - everything wrong for using her death as an excuse to party!

agree LtEve.

It makes me feel better Boo! I don't like him and his charmed life. Forgive me if I'm not perfect but I'm jealous of his money and fancy holidays. Please allow me that!

I agree with piprabbit - the celebrations remind me of the people cheering the death of Saddam Hussein and I found that fairly unpleasant, even given what he had done.

Margaret Thatcher was an elected leader - elected three times - at an incredibly difficult time. I don't think everything she did was right, or rather she and her government did, because she wasn't a military dictator and could have been ousted by her party at any time if she was genuinely working against what everyone else in her government believed, but I strongly suspect that whoever was in power at the time would have found themselves making some of the same decisions.

I don't even believe that most people celebrating her death even care that much - it's just a way for people to be involved in the Big Thing of the moment, or possibly just a justification for causing carnage.

People need to be able to separate individuals from their role in government. I don't believe that any individual politician can be blamed or credited for any individual change - there are many people involved in everything decision made for the country. I also think it's incredibly easy for other parties to make capital out of an unpopular government - oh we wouldn't have done that, you should have elected us. But a fair chunk of the time, there isn't much difference to the meat of any decision, just to the way it's dressed up.

My profession is currently facing proposals that will decimate not only the profession, but also a vital part of our legal system. This is the second attempt to introduce these measures - the last was by a labour government. The Tories stated that if they gained power they would not introduce these measures, although they wouldn't stop them if they were already underway. The proposals collapsed (because they were badly thought-out bollocks) and guess what? A few years down the line and the Tories are trying to bring them in under their own steam.

Some of the things MT did would have happened anyway - not all, but some. There are criticisms to be levelled at her government about the way they went about things, but to suggest that MT was single-handedly responsible for all the things that happened, or were begun, in her era, is incredibly simplistic, and suggests that a fair swathe of the country just wants a bogeyman to band together against.

you know you're actually doing yourself more harm by feeling that way than good right?

I think your post is ridiculous OP, and doesn't demonstrate much of a thought process. You are suggesting you can be pleased someone is dead because your political persuasion doesn't agree with them.

You could just as equally make out a case for Tony Blair and Gordon Brown causing a lot of harm to this country by turning it into a discontent mass of benefit dependents and over-taxed workers.

Then you compare Margaret Thatcher with Pol Pot, Stalin, etc, conveniently forgetting that we live in a first world country with a democracy, extensive education for all, high health care standards, freedom to buy property, etc.!

One of the most ridiculous, dim-witted postings I have ever read.

Yes. Because I'm sure his wife and children need you to be pleased that yet again something has come up which means he can't spend a few days with them. Then we moan about the quality of people who stand for parliament. Most decent people wouldn't want to bother.

I think you can not respect the dead but making inappropriate, sick comments about dancingn on er grave was wrong. For the last few years, she wasn't the woman who did all that. She was a frail, sick lady with dementia, who died after a stroke (and however peaceful e news says it is,my acing watched three people die of a stroke, it isn't). I think in some ways it's a relief that she is dead (as in, the past is now a bit further behind us) and I will never respect her, BUT there is nothing good coming from his death. Is an evil campaign stopped in its tracks? Are millions of lives spared because she died? No. A lady died who, at the last point, held no power, and her death changed nothing.

Sorry, meant to add that I agree with the posters saying how pointless the celebrations are anyway. Is the mining industry suddenly going to be revived because she's dead? Will the current government suddenly build a million new social houses?

No. Because they've all picked up and run with what they were left with, and made no attempt to reverse these things. Leaders who followed her were probably pretty relieved that they didn't have to make some of those decisions and had someone to blame.

I believe government is a continuous process - and everyone involved has to take responsibility for the way the country develops. Very few governments can say "It was all their fault. We've done great."

Why not just be pleased when she retired from politics?

The fact that she has died is not related to her career as she stopped work a long time ago.

I'm actually quite pleased at the reasoned responses on this thread. It's not sat well with me how many people are posted silly comments like 'dancing on her grave' less than 24 hours after she's died.

No matter what your political opinion, it just strikes me as wrong and highly disrespectful to take glee from the fact remains that an 87 year old woman died yesterday and left behind a family which will be grieving.

kungfupanda I believe government is a continuous process - and everyone involved has to take responsibility for the way the country develops

I believe the people of a country get the government they deserve. Hence in the UK, we now have governments composed of career politicians who make decisions based on mass popularity and staying in power, rather than what is good for the country. And we now have a country considerably poorer than it once was.

"Celebrations should have been when she was ousted, not upon her death. "

This is my view as well.