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To want to scream at twats posting shite false crap about the bedroom tax

141 replies

BrittaPie · 08/04/2013 10:01

Eg 'muslims can turn a room into a prayer room and it is exempt'

'Sex offenders are exempt'

Etc etc etc

One just told me to check google, so out of curiousity I did. The ONLY source was ridiculous bnp affiliated blogs. Not even the actual BNP.

Twats.

(Not Muslim, a social housing tenant or a sex offender, btw. Just not a twat.)

OP posts:
MrsBucketxx · 08/04/2013 11:29

find not gind.

expatinscotland · 08/04/2013 11:29

'Too many people live in social housing that is far bigger than their needs.'

The majority of them age 61+. They are exempt.

niceguy2 · 08/04/2013 11:30

in reality it's a cut in housing benefit aimed at the poorest who can least afford it.

It's not quite as simple as that though is it?

The housing benefit bill had grown out of control along with other areas of the benefits bill. Both the coalition & Labour agree that it needs to be cut.

There are many families desperate for a bigger house whilst many are sat in houses with spare rooms. That strikes me as a farcical situation.

I can see arguments for and against. But I don't think things are quite as dire as the left are painting.

CuttedUpPear · 08/04/2013 11:30

Will people stop getting so fired up about what the colloquial term for this is. The government themselves are calling it the Bedroom Tax so let's just go with that shall we?

Mrsbucket if you wouldn't mind listing the places where all these thousands of jobs are available I'd be pleased to pass them on to my unemployed friend.

Oh and also where this education is available for free to over 18s.

Thanks and have a Biscuit

MrsBucketxx · 08/04/2013 11:30

pensioners aren't affected, not by me anyway.

EasilyBored · 08/04/2013 11:30

Exactly expat. But those people vote, sowe cant possibly bother them!

TickleMyTitsTillFriday · 08/04/2013 11:31

There are plenty of properties that take children!

Hb you are right, and I think it is a big problem with private rental.

I still fail to see why private and social housing rules when it comes to Hb should be different. I'm fairly pissed off that they have been up until now

YouTheCat · 08/04/2013 11:31

If you have no money to start with, how are you supposed to find cash so you can move? The moving fairies aren't going to turn up.

MrsBucketxx · 08/04/2013 11:31

if you are claiming benefits education is free, you just need to ask.

JakeBullet · 08/04/2013 11:32

Actually I am very aware it's not a tax but I might keep calling it that to piss off the right wing idiots who can't see beyond the ends of their noses.

As long as you're alright eh? Hmm

This cut will hit people who are the poorest and in many cases most vulnerable people in our community but as long as people WON'T see that then things will get worse.

I WAS in a three bed flat on a sink estate with a disabled child. I was thankfully rehoused due to his needs but if I hadn't been then this cut would be affecting me as well.

Still I can always "get an education" and "get a better job" eh? Hmm

And what about those with disabled children being penalised....because it IS happening. Perhaps get some "education" about HOW this will impact on vulnerable people before coming over all sniffy and judgemental.

StuntGirl · 08/04/2013 11:33

I fear you have a woefully inadequate view of the situation mrsbucket. You clearly know bugger all about the situation so please keep your poisonous views to yourself.

YouTheCat · 08/04/2013 11:33

MrNiceGuy, maybe if employers paid a living wage and made full time jobs available instead of part time, then less people would need HB in the first place?

Most people on any kind of benefit are seeing a cut in money due to benefits not rising with inflation.

expatinscotland · 08/04/2013 11:33

'The housing benefit bill had grown out of control along with other areas of the benefits bill. Both the coalition & Labour agree that it needs to be cut.

There are many families desperate for a bigger house whilst many are sat in houses with spare rooms. That strikes me as a farcical situation.'

Yet the largest group of under-occupiers, those age 61+, are exempt.

CuttedUpPear · 08/04/2013 11:34

Niceguy2 (really?) things are dire and nobody is 'painting' anything.

We are being offered the option by our HA to move out of our house because my daughter is at university. When she finishes she will be living back here full time - oh no she won't actually, she won't be because her home will be gone. Because DS and I will have moved into the non existent 2 bedroom house which my HA are not offering us.

TooYappy · 08/04/2013 11:34

I was told via Facebook gossip I would have to pay it, reading my Council notes notes it reads that I should pay it as one DC is not over 16. I thought it was strange as I have just moved into a 3 bedroom with 2 same sex DC 13 & 9 years, but haven't heard anything from the Council.

Maybe because DS2 bedroom is no bigger than a box room?

JakeBullet · 08/04/2013 11:34

Actually MrsBucket education is NOT "free if you are on benefits". Take a look at your local adult education site if you doubt me. Fees are reduced but courses are NOT free!

And this is what I mean by people having no clue about how this cut will hut people and WHY they can't "just get an education".

YouTheCat · 08/04/2013 11:34

MrsB, I get CTC (which is a benefit) though I, and my partner both work, we get no HB or council tax benefit and education most certainly isn't free.

If I want to further my career it'll cost me £500 which I haven't got.

MrsBucketxx · 08/04/2013 11:35

all workinh people are feeling cuts as salaries are not rising to meet inflation either.

why should benefits be any different.

TheHumancatapult · 08/04/2013 11:35

Tickle

Your wrong actually in lHA there is strict rules already about what you can claim so if only need 2 if hot 3 there's a shortfall

What I dislike is If adaptions done add s downstairs bedroom for access then penalised as now have spare room even thought can't bloody use it

Viviennemary · 08/04/2013 11:35

I can see both sides. I think they have exempted elderly people because you would have ninety year olds in tears having to move from homes they've lived in for decades and that wouldn't be good for the government. I don't mean to sound cynical in any way but that's the reason.

I think there should be a means test on council housing. It annoys me to think there are people who could well afford their own house taking up a council house. Why should they get a house for life and others spend years on waiting lists and in crowded conditions. And I've never seen anything about a spare room being turned into a prayer room.

CuttedUpPear · 08/04/2013 11:35

Mrsbucket

Education is NOT free to those claiming benefits!
Where on earth do you drag up this kind of bullshit from??

expatinscotland · 08/04/2013 11:36

'I still fail to see why private and social housing rules when it comes to Hb should be different. I'm fairly pissed off that they have been up until now'

There are not plenty of place that take children, that's why there are so many threads on here from people struggling to find a place, even without HB.

And the fact is that many, many lenders will not allow their debtors to take on HB/LHA tenants, so they have to state no DSS/no HB/no LHA. Also many homeowners insurance providers will not allow clients to take on DSS/HB tenants.

So it's a real problem.

dancemom · 08/04/2013 11:36

For those saying they cannot afford to move from social housing into private rentals, if you are in receipt of HB / LHA then you can claim Discretionary Housing Payment to cover your costs such as your deposit and your removal costs. This hasn't been widely advertised but has been accommodated for when allocating the DHP budgets.

BumpingFuglies · 08/04/2013 11:37

Newsflash MrsBucket - people on benefits work too.

JakeBullet · 08/04/2013 11:37

...and some of us claiming HB have NO option but to continue doing so due to our circumstances.

Yet some of you rejoice in the fact many of us are taking a cut in income. Nice!

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