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To ask MNers never to link to or open a link to the Daily Mail?

81 replies

TurdusMerula · 04/04/2013 08:59

For it is a vile, hate-preaching, lie-spreading rag, and every click helps them carry on being a vile, hate-preaching, lie-spreading rag.

Even if it's a click simply to see the latest example of disgusting and wrong they are, or the latest nonsense from the latest vacuous columnist - please do not be part of their massive online audience.

This is something we can all do. Yes, perhaps a wee sacrifice, to forego that glow of righteous anger - but we can see what they are saying without ever needing to click on their fucking website.

If you don't think IABU, please join me. Thank you.

I will never again link to or open a link to the Daily Mail.

OP posts:
hypnotizingchickens · 04/04/2013 19:03

Just to be clear: Censoring is something that is done at the level of the state. It's when the state, using the extensive furniture of the state, with regard to policing, justice, and information gathering, controls information's circulation by judicious use of prohibition.

We talk about censorship within communities, employing the term metaphorically in order to discuss power and its relationship with the circulation and control of information. But I think there is a very real question there: can it be censorship if it is not operating at the state level?

What censorship is not:

Deciding that you may stop reading/buying something and suggesting to others that they might like to do that too.

For all those of you bleating about censoring a free press in the context of someone on mn suggesting people might voluntarily like to stop reading it/posting links to it/pressing on links to it ... ARE YOU STUPID? DO YOU SERIOUSLY SEE YOURSELVES AS FREEDOM WARRIORS ON THE SAME LEVEL AS THOSE PRINTING SAMIZDAT LITERATURE AT THE TIME OF STALIN?

Grow up. And don't be so ridiculously pompous and thick.

Lorialet · 04/04/2013 19:04

I enjoy reading the DM, so I'll continue to link to and click on whatever I want, thanks very much :)

LadyMountbatten · 04/04/2013 19:04

agree
No

MyDarlingClementine · 04/04/2013 19:08

But its the main papers MN read and link too?

MrsBW · 04/04/2013 19:09

*For all those of you bleating about censoring a free press in the context of someone on mn suggesting people might voluntarily like to stop reading it/posting links to it/pressing on links to it ... ARE YOU STUPID? DO YOU SERIOUSLY SEE YOURSELVES AS FREEDOM WARRIORS ON THE SAME LEVEL AS THOSE PRINTING SAMIZDAT LITERATURE AT THE TIME OF STALIN?

Grow up. And don't be so ridiculously pompous and thick.*

Calm down dear, you'll do yourself an injury Hmm

hypnotizingchickens · 04/04/2013 19:09

And for what it's worth - I take the de-humanisation of welfare claimants through the political deployment of 6 children's deaths very seriously indeed.

I don't think the Daily Mail is just silly, naughty little publication. Its number of readers is too great for that.

I do think that this is a case of the mainstream, and what we (that's you, me and the person next to you) will tolerate as being the mainstream, being redefined.

I also take the view that simple passivity in instances such as this may very well be ethical negligence - and extremely lazy: sitting on your arse, moaning that nobody ever picks up litter, rather than taking responsibility for a shared space (be that an actual place or a conceptual meeting-place of discussion and sharing of views).

MrsBW · 04/04/2013 19:16

I think the Daily Mail represents a right wing view.

I think there are papers that represent a left wing view.

I think the 'truth' lies somewhere in the middle.

Nothing 'negligent' about that.

I think some people on MN think all DM readers are brainwashed idiots. Ironically, in pretty much the same way that some people think all benefits claimants are scroungers - a pet hate of most of MN.

hugoagogo · 04/04/2013 19:18

When did 'calm down dear' add anything to an argument?

It is patronising, goady and belittling to women.

QOD · 04/04/2013 19:20

How do they get paid when we click a link?

higgle · 04/04/2013 19:22

As they say, todays newspaper tomorrow's chip paper.

OhLori · 04/04/2013 19:23

Why not simply imprison anyone who reads the Daily Mail and that will solve everything.

The Left used to be similarly obsessed with The Sun in the 80s, a complete waste of time.

MrsBW · 04/04/2013 19:24

Hugo

Immediately after I (and others) were referred to as 'stupid, pompous and thick* for merely expressing an opinion.

HTH

lenfer · 04/04/2013 19:32

Hypnotisingchickens: "For all those of you bleating about censoring a free press in the context of someone on mn suggesting people might voluntarily like to stop reading it/posting links to it/pressing on links to it ... ARE YOU STUPID? DO YOU SERIOUSLY SEE YOURSELVES AS FREEDOM WARRIORS ON THE SAME LEVEL AS THOSE PRINTING SAMIZDAT LITERATURE AT THE TIME OF STALIN?

Grow up. And don't be so ridiculously pompous and thick."

Very odd for someone posting that kind of thing to claim any form of moral high ground.

I'd have a look for your moral compass - where did you last have it?

lastSplash · 04/04/2013 19:42

Hopeful plug for Kitten Block - no more accidental links to the Daily Mail or putting pennies in their pockets.

Maybe everytime you spot a DM link on here you can post tea and kittens loving mumsnetter or something...

A review: I used to be a massive racist and so naturally turned to the Daily Mail and Daily Express websites for my regular dose of ignorance and thinly veiled race-hate. But this plugin has really turned my life around. I've started having thoughts like "Maybe it's not all the fault of the European Court of Human Rights?","Perhaps there are some substances that neither cause nor prevent cancer?", and "Maybe Princess Diana was a bit overrated?" Thanks to Kitten Block, my fear of imaginary crime has rapidly dissipated and so I last week I left the house for the first time in 18 years. I've also stopped endlessly checking the price of my property on rightmove and started, y'know, being nice to people instead. Thanks Kitten Block, I'm not a unthinking dufus anymore. First class.

hypnotizingchickens · 04/04/2013 19:42

"I think the Daily Mail represents a right wing view.

I think there are papers that represent a left wing view.

I think the 'truth' lies somewhere in the middle."

MrsBW, I'm really not singling you out. I've reprinted this piece of your post because it articulates very clearly the slightly odd, "spatialized" view people have, or seem to have, of politics (and the publications that seem [to them] to represent similarly spatialized political opinions).

The problem is this: if you view the political spectrum as as a line, going from right to left, with DM representing the "right" and something or other on the "left", and "the truth" in the middle, can you see the problem?

What happens to "the truth" if "the right" moves off, errmm, to the right a bit more? Presumably "the truth" moves a little way off "to the right" in pursuit of the errant and wandering end-point.

This phenomenon has actually been discussed but various political theoreticians, and rhetorical and political strategies have been developed to take account/make use of it. The main idea is that you move the end-points in extreme directions on various issues, and thereby determine the content of the supposedly neutral centre-ground - where "the truth" is.

Personally, I think that continuum idea actually inhibits our thinking of politics. And in a case such as this one, frankly I think it is better to think of acceptable and unacceptable discourse/discursive actions. If the "left" had done this - seeking to demonise and dehumanise a section of people- I really hope I'd have the gumption to say it wasn't on.

The real problem I have with what the DM have done is precisely the fact that they have attacked the boundaries of that centre-ground, of that little patch of public grass where "the truth" supposedly can be found. That is, the sort of village-green agora of our political and civic life really has been defiled by the DM - like a bunch of thugs putting a car into the duck pond and setting fire to the bus shelter.

And yes, I know that the DM are nowhere near the supposed "middle", the duck pond, or whatever, but that's the thing: they don't have to be. the whole way that spatialised continuum way of thinking about politics works is that the people at one end - the Daily Mail in this case - can move and - provided that it isn't vociferously contested by us (the village inhabitants) - they can thereby change the content of the (imaginary) centre ground.

Our village green, our political/community agora, our "centre-ground", becomes defiled, and vileness is accepted as a routine part of the political argot, unless we are not negligent, and we go out and clear up the mess, and stop them from doing it again.

lastSplash · 04/04/2013 19:44

QOD - the advertisers are where newspapers make most of their money. For online, the DM receive income from their advertisers proportionate to the number of people who land on DM pages following links from here and eslewhere.

MrsBW · 04/04/2013 20:08

hypno

I understand you're not singling me out.

What I was trying to articulate (badly, I know) is that I take everything the media says with a pinch of salt and try to form my own opinions... Not that politics/the truth is as cut and dried as that.

I actually agree with you on a lot of what you say in your last thought provoking post. Thank you.

OP - sorry for the thread hijack.

LilaFowler · 04/04/2013 20:51

ophelia - I wonder how many DM supporters really do look at several news sources though? Somehow I doubt it.

Wow. That's a bit of a sweeping, patronising generalisation, isn't it? So if you read the DM you're obviously a bit too stupid to realise there are other news sources out there and only read that one paper. Hmm
Okaaay then.
I occasionally read the DM, and like the website and visit it most days
I'm also an avid reader of The Guardian, The Telegraph, and many others too.
I like an array of different papers to read.
I'm not suddenly going to turn into a frothing racist/homophobic/whatever by reading it. Hmm
I also feel like clicking on the website more than ever now just because I've been told we shouldn't be doing it. Grin
I don't want to go down a route of being 'told' what news sources we should and shouldn't be reading.

saycheeeeeese · 04/04/2013 20:56

Um no Hmm
If you don't like it fine, don't expect me to forego my daily updates on Ireland Baldwins modelling career or that doll what loves herself and married that French bloke forgets nameregretful life.

saycheeeeeese · 04/04/2013 20:57

Strike out fail.

Bartlebee · 04/04/2013 21:06

I look down my nose at DM readers and yet, hugely hypocritically, I click on that blasted website every day. I like the sidebar of shame even though I detest the misogyny and thick-as-shit writing standards.

I want to give up, I really do.

pigletmania · 04/04/2013 21:09

Yabvvu you cannot control people and tell them what to do Hmm

ReturnOfEmeraldGreen · 04/04/2013 21:10

Hurrah for the Blackshirts! Click on what? Fuck the DM.

pigletmania · 04/04/2013 21:11

Why don't you put te daily express and the red topped tabloids,the DM is not the only culprit, pretty much most of te newspapers are the same, except for the bradsheets

directoroflegacy · 04/04/2013 21:18

I also judge my parents for buying, reading and BELIEVING everything that they read in the DM.
However, I'm also addicted to the sidebar of shame & click on their website everyday.
I love keeping up with KK's fashion fails and the way they get 1 random woman with some random idea/story and then they try to make into a new trend.