Sick of having to be Politically Correct over nearly everything

[SickofThisCountry]

Dont want to cause some big debate but is anyone else on here getting sick to the back teeth of having to watch their p's and q's through fear of offending every tom, dick and harry.

I don't see your example of SN in school as an example of political correctness

Erm, but those people are making a valid point, aren't they? Assuming their child actually does have SN. Their needs have to be taken into account.

It's no good having "good ideas" for school activities that don't cater for a portion of the class. That's not a "good idea". Anymore than you can have a good transport policy that doesn't consider wheelchair users. That isn't a good transport policy. It doesn't cater for all the people who might want to use transport.

I think you should look at the recorded crime statistics for your area and see what percentage change, if any, there has been over the past three or four or five years. Generally the trend is the other way, crime is decreasing, but these things tend to stay quite stable. I promise you crime as a whole has not quadrupled anywhere. Our perceptions are easily distorted.

It has become non-PC to mention the concept of naughtiness WRT children because a naughty child is always equated to a SN child - as in "well my child bites/hits/screams because he has personal space issues - not because he is naughty, what do you expect me to do about it" - so people back off from the thread, people stop talking about bad behaviour.

I know there are a lot of SN children, I know there are a lot of kids who misbehave too - what I don't "get" I guess is why kids with SN never misbehave...

Being 'Politically Correct' should be renamed 'Polite and Correct' because that's basically what using the 'right' words (ie 'black not 'coloured') is - it's just polite (and not difficult!!).

Am I through some kind of looking glass here? People talk about children, their own and others, being naughty in all kinds of contexts on this site ALL THE TIME.

One friend works at a school for SN kids and yes, they do misbehave - she tells them to behave (as much as they can within the parameters of their particular problems).

The children at that school are expected to not swear (unless they have Tourette's) for example.

I know there are a lot of SN children, I know there are a lot of kids who misbehave too - what I don't "get" I guess is why kids with SN never misbehave

Shit, you're on to something there I think!

I must make an appointment with my sons paediatrician to discuss her incorrect diagnosis of autism.

It was just plain old naughtiness all along, why didn't I think of that...

What Amberleaf said. For "backing down", read "actually thinking about things and realising that they've been a bit of an arse."

And which "crime figures" are you talking about? I work in the criminal justice system and I have never heard anyone say "Ooh, crime figures have doubled." They might say that robberies are up x% since 2007, or that there's been an increase in violent crime.

The only circumstances I can imagine where "crime figures" could really "quadruple" following an influx of people from "somewhere else" would be a very small and law-abiding island where four people went on holiday and got drunk and disorderly.....

I live in a predominantly white, middle class, area surrounded by married couples(male/female) on the edge of the Cotswolds, good schools, low crime, "naice" area....

Just what area was it (I live in the Cotswolds too!) that had a sudden influx of people from somewhere else that caused crime statistics to quadruple.

I will not I will not say utter fucking bullshit stuff and nonsense, (damn I said it) By the way can you not see that spouting this kind of unsubstantiated guff could be the reason why your boss thinks you have a hidden agenda with minority groups and calls you on it?

OK _ have looked at the crime figures - on UKCrimeStats.com for our area
only the antisocial behaviour increased 4x (12 to 49)
violent crime only doubled (2 to 4)
burglary went from 1 to 13 - quite a rise
and vehicle crime went from 4 to 35 (almost 9 times),
robbery went from 0 to 2
and other crimes from 9 to 30..... in one month...

and I did not ANYWHERE mention immigration

ByTheWay..please please educate yourself before running off at the mouth.

The island example made me giggle! Bytheway1, your claim would mean that, say your constabulary records on average 25 incidents of vehicle crime a year then one year it either leaps to 100 or there are 75 extra incidents that are not reported - in the latter case how would you know they had occurred? The British Crime Survey?

i.e about why some behaviours of children with ASD (not "SN children") might appear to be like bad behaviour but actually aren't.

And why taking that into consideration is important and not "PC stifling of debate".

its easy to be flippant, i do it all the time. I think it takes a conserted effort to listen to people like bytheway1 because mumsent world is a peculiar thing and isn't real - unortunatley many people think just like bytheway1, it would be nice if bytheway1 could say - 'yes i see your point' which will absolutely not happen with flippancy

"The only circumstances I can imagine where "crime figures" could really "quadruple" following an influx of people from "somewhere else" would be a very small and law-abiding island where four people went on holiday and got drunk and disorderly.....~" i did lol at this though

In what period bytheway1? Over the past year? Who are 'the new people'?

Incidentally, what's the relevance of couples being male/female when describing a "naice" area.

Are you trying to sound like a bigot?

It takes me a concerted effort to discuss with people like bytheway1 because to me they are just spouting stuff they read in the Daily Mail which makes me a) angry and b) cringing

Okay I have read this thread quite closely but I am prepared to accept I may have missed something

By the way where did anyone say you did mention immigration? I quoted you as saying that there was a sudden influx of people from somewhere else. Your own words. Again sorry if someone else has put words in your mouth

But I am aware people do think like this. Would be nice to educate them but IME it's just wasting your energy as they just think you are being the "SN brigade" and "PC gorn mad" etc etc ad inf.

is that 12 to 49 instances or individuals?

it could be one pissed up white british fella singing rather loudly on the way back from the pub nightly.

and you don't know the ethnic origin of the perpetrators - or do you? does it give this info?

I went to the Isle of Man once - my father's family were manx but we'd never been back there.

On the way from the airport, the taxi driver asked us about London's immigration problem and then proudly informed us that "We had an illegal immigrant once. We put him in prison and then deported him."

They might have had another four since then....

Fortunately everyone else we met there turned out to be lovely - the taxi driver is presumably employed by the Manx tourist board to put off all but tourists who really want to visit.

travelling/gypsy community?

maybe it was travellers, but it is interesting to wonder what constitutes anti-social behaviour in an area as uptight as the Cotswolds - being a lesbian? Not having a funny accent?

Martians? Amish? Northerners?