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To be dreading the grand national on Saturday?

292 replies

annabanana84 · 03/04/2013 15:41

once again the grand national has come around, and to say I despise it is an understatement. The fact that people race these poor horses for entertainment and money really defies belief. The way those poor horses get whipped, exhausted and there is not a year goes by that we hear of deaths or the animals having to be put to sleep because of them breaking their necks, backs, or other injuries. I so dread it. You can't even get away from hearing about the deaths because it's broadcast on every news programme.

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Molecule · 04/04/2013 12:46

If one of my DH's horses was injured and he was there I can guarantee he would be straight down on the course to be with it, Monty.

Yes it does seem hypocritical, but wherever there are animals there are injuries, and there is great over breeding of many animals, be it dogs, cats or poor quality horses, and their lives are probably far worse than that of the average racehorse. There are hard bastards involved with all animals as well, look at the number of dog breeders done for cruelty.

It does seem to be in the human psyche to try and breed the very best, and no matter what is said here, most people involved in racing do love and care for their horses, probably even more so in National Hunt where the horses have much longer careers.

montysma1 · 04/04/2013 12:48

I did read her post properly.

But she is describing how they "love " the babies" that they sell on to trainers. Babies who of course are "much loved by owners and trainers". Such a lot of love going on.

These loving owners and trainers then run them in the national and national hunt in general, since he is proud to have twice bred the highest placed British national runner.

I have no doubt that they treat the horses well when they are in their hands, but they are producing animals to be sold on into a industry where welfare is at best questionable.

jennywren45 · 04/04/2013 12:48

Fabulous post molecule and mirrors my experience.

montysma do you know horses ? Mine know they are loved, believe you me. The bond between my horses and I is a very powerful one. I really don;t think you know what you are talking about.

Look at the condition of the horses in racing, absolutely perfect . They are so well cared for you wouldn't believe.

If you want to get angry and useful, get angry about novices buying ponies for spoilt kids.

montysma1 · 04/04/2013 12:54

Molecule, thats not the point, weeping and comiserating after the fact does not remove culpability. He would sit with a fatally injured horse? Big deal.

And as others have said, long lists of other animal abuses do not justify the abuses of horse racing. They are all wrong, but its racing that is the subject of the thread.

montysma1 · 04/04/2013 13:00

Have had horses all my life Jenny. But the normal fall back position on these threads, where people disagree with racing is "you know nothing about horses". It so much easier than adressing the reality.

jennywren45 · 04/04/2013 13:00

Can you tell us what equine experience you have, monty?

jennywren45 · 04/04/2013 13:04

As pets or do you ride them?

montysma1 · 04/04/2013 13:50

Nope, not getting into the I'm more horsey than you cul de sac. Its not relevant to The Grand National.

jennywren45 · 04/04/2013 13:52

Ah, thought so! Grin

catgirl1976 · 04/04/2013 14:52

My horse could easily be injured eventing. (Well before he retired any way).

Are you seriously suggesting that had that happened my grief would have been nauseating and false because I had ridden him? It wouldn't have been.

Under what situations would I be allowed to be devastated if my horse was fatally injured? Would it be ok if he was injured on a hack? If another horse kicked him in the field?

No one is saying the whole racing industry is run by good people, using best practice and loving and caring for horses. Of course there are bad trainers, bad owners and bad practices. Every single person on here would like that to be eradicated and every single person would like racing (and all other equstrian sports) to be a safe as possible.

You get "bad" people in every walk of life and sadly racing is no different. But to assume everyone involved in racing is some cruel, heartless bastard with no concern for the welfare of horses is just wrong. There are some and I wish there were none, but you cannot tar everyone with the same brush.

jennywren45 · 04/04/2013 15:10

monty do you put a bit in their mouths? A saddle on their backs? Do you use your leg to put pressure?

Do you keep them in a field, a stable? Because all of those things are unnatural.

montysma1 · 04/04/2013 16:12

Any "domesticated" animal is living unaturally to an extent. Thats a different argument.

Any animal or indeed human can be killed or injured in accidents during the most innocent of activities.

That is not the same as, and does not justify, knowingly placing an animal in a dangerous situation, in the name of entertainment.

Jenny, be as "knowing "as you like, I am not getting into horse credential one upmanship. If you take horses out of the argument point remains the same.

If you knowingly place child in a dangerous situation ,you are a bad parent, do it with a dog, cat or goldfish you are a bad animal owner.

countrykitten · 04/04/2013 18:06

Well the carnage has begun. Katie Walsh's horse Battlefront collapsed and died at Aintree this afternoon.

How many more......?

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn · 04/04/2013 18:15

He collapsed and died from a heart attack. There is absolutely no proof that racing caused his heart attack, he could have been just as likely to have suffered a heart attack standing in his stable at home.

countrykitten · 04/04/2013 18:17

I don't think that you really believe that do you?

countrykitten · 04/04/2013 18:20

The GN organisers will be tearing their hair out as it is the worst possible thing to have happened right at the start of the meet. Bad news from the off means the GN itself is under even more scrutiny.

Not a bad thing imo.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn · 04/04/2013 18:22

Yes I do. I've seen horses drop dead from heart attacks whilst grazing in fields and a colleagues wife had a horse collapse and die underneath her whilst walking down a road.

Horses die from unexpected heart attacks just as much as people do. Not every person who dies from a sudden heart attack is exercising at the time.

MandragoraWurzelstock · 04/04/2013 18:25

It was Katie Walsh who was so vehemently defending the GN the other day in all the major papers.

catgirl1976 · 04/04/2013 18:26

I really don't think a heart attack can be read as proof of cruelty

Tragic and sad :(

MandragoraWurzelstock · 04/04/2013 18:31

how do you guys know the details?

catgirl1976 · 04/04/2013 18:45

Well the news says he was pulled up and died shortly after from a suspected heart attack

I don't know any more beyond that

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn · 04/04/2013 18:49

Aintree put out a statement about half an hour after it happened. I'll see if I can find it.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn · 04/04/2013 18:52

Statement here

LividofLondon · 04/04/2013 19:07

YANBU. If jockeys died in the same numbers as the horses this "sport" would have been banned long ago. If people want to take part in risky activities, fine, but don't involve animals who trust you to make good safe decisions for them. And let's not forget that it's only the "lucky" few horses that make the grade and get to races, and out of those only the successful are rewarded. What happens to the thousands that aren't? Abattoirs mainly that's what because few owners would collect a load of "useless" horses. Or maybe they sell them on so they are then caught in a potential downward spiral of being sold on every time they aren't fit for purpose before eventually going for meat. Then what about the ones that get injured in training or at the races; if they will never be successful (i.e. make money for their owners) afterwards they've outlived their usefulness and are discarded. So a nice day at the races comes at a cost and I hope those who like a little flutter understand this. It's no better in dog racing either. I hate sport involving animals, and I hate gambling, so horse racing is really not my thing at all. I live in hope that one day we will fall out of love of sports involving animals and they will eventually be consigned to history. Oh, and I've ridden since childhood, had a horse, worked at a BHS approved stable and I still hate horse racing.

^"YABU the raw ingredients of a Findus Lasagne don't supply themselves.
I think the horses are very lucky. I mean last time I wanted to be straddled by an Irish dwarf in silky clothing and whipped it cost me 500 quid in one of Soho's more niche clubs."^
LOL! Very funny :-P

"I worry just as much for the jockeys as the horses."
Personally I don't give a flying fuck about the jockeys; they know the risks, they have the choice. Unlike the horses.

"No one ever gets frothy about the amount of horses that die eventing etc"
I do. It's another equestrial "sport" I loath.

"...there are far crueler practices going on in the showing world, however, it's not publicised..."
Then it should be. Midori, if you know of cruelty you need to be shouting about it. Start a blog or something, but let as many people know as possible.

"Animal Aid are the nutjobs who i read a few years ago were bemoaning the fact that mules and horses were left behind at dunkirk and how tragic it was. never mind all the men left behind then eh?"
How silly. Their cause is animals not people, which is why they aren't bleating about the soldiers, not that they don't care. People tend to care about more than one issue I've found. For example, I care about factory farming and bad conditions in hospitals, plus many more issues. However, the topic of this thread is horse racing, so I will keep on topic. It doesn't mean it's the only thing I care about.

montysma1 · 04/04/2013 19:45

Careful there livid, stating the stark reality of the racing industry is not allowed, only stories of idyllic racehorse retirement is acceptable.

A person involved with horses who loathes equestrian sport, absolutely not., You are of course lying and have never been near a horse, you sentimental uninformed ignoramus you.