The Philpotts: to think this says a lot about the morality of this country?

[SlowlyWakingUp]

Why was this 'getup' allowed to happen? Everyone knew about it, why was it normalised? It seems to have been all nudge, nudge, wink, wink, that's just 'Mick'. A man with 'needs'. Why were social services not involved? They were all over the TV long before the fire with him being aggressive and f'ing and blinding in front of the DCs on camera, dread to think what he like off camera. I bet he was an absolute bastard.

Why was he allowed to live with children after his earlier conviction for attempted murder and the domestic violence he perpetrated to his 2nd 'wifelet' who left before he got involved with Mairaid? Lisa Willis was their pregnant bridesmaid (with HIS baby) at their wedding. In the TV interview she said she did not 'like the wedding night' because she was 'ready to drop' that brings up all kinds of dreadful connotations. People must have known about this. Did they pat him on the back, turn a blind eye? Why did the neighbours not get involved? The school? Just the overcrowded, chaotic household would surely have been enough to ring alarm bells? When Lisa Willis left him a few months before the fire, she got a restraining order so she must have been alleged DV, why were the DCs left behind not checked up on?

I dread to think of the things they must have seen what with other men coming in to have sex with the 'mother', threesomes, booze and weed, the rocking caravan parked out front. I am sure they were aware of what was going on. How could anyone have thought this was 'OK'.

Why, why, why was this evil sexist pig of a 'man' allowed to carry on doing what he liked without being properly challenged (and I don't mean by JK or Anne Widdecombe)? It was a car crash waiting to happen and no one stepped in, just judged him for being a scumbag, the women for being stupid enough to accept it, without taking into account the most important factor, those poor DCs.

I KNOW ultimately the 3 who were found guilty today we were responsible but what about the responsibility of the community and the government agencies to say 'hey, you cannot bring children up in that environment'. Not just to turn a blind eye until an absolute tragedy like this happens. Sorry, it just sickens me that this went on and that similar scenarios are being played out everyday all over the UK.

They died of smoke inhalation so it is unlikely they were awake at the time of their deaths. They would have gone to bed never to awake again. Not much comfort but better than thinking they were burnt alive.

Oh god cantspel I so hope you are right about that.

I tell you something else this shows, it shows how stupid people are and what a lousy job we do of making people aware of how their actions can have unintended consequences.

And how children aren't their parent's property.

This man was obviously almost unbelievably evil, but it is manslaughter not murder because he genuinely didn't intend to kill them. What's appalling, is that he had no idea that he didn't have the right to take the risk - that they weren't his property and that he had a duty of care to ensure that they were safe.

Cantspel is correct, this is where I could out myself but I work for a fire service and I am a Registered Nurse, just 3 breaths is all it takes, they say on the side of our vans, will have hopefully died in their sleep.
and I can believe that as I was been at fire training and the wind changed I was the only person without Breathing apparatus and I started chocking, someone told me to lie down on the ground outside, they all put their BA sets on, and I was lying in the dirt getting pleasantly woozy
Fuckidia, i agree, but until I worked for a fire service I didn't realise how fire spreads and I have been in 2, slept through 1 and called the fire service in the other and yet still stood on the landing discussing whether it was a fire or not! it was and when the fire service arrived I was the only person out of the building, you really don't believe how quickly it happens.
The real wake up for me was one where 5 members of the same family died, will never get the press this one does, but a ex bf, I was in the Fire station left and found it less than 1/3mile away in the same road dual carriageway most the way, burnt out, so quick.