To start a benefits "myth busting" thread so that I can link the thickos of Facebook to it

[MarmaladeTwatkins]

When they start moaning about how people on benefits can afford diamond shoes and other such items.

I'll start.

1. Housing benefit is mostly paid out to WORKING people. So all of this talk of going out and getting a job and buying their own home if they don't like the bedroom tax is a flawed argument.

I wasn't going to post again as i suspect that there is trolling and sick-puppeting going on and quite frankly I'm not talking about my personal circumstances for some sweaty faced weirdos.

Dawndonnas dd massive handclap from me you are a truly wonderful girl and I wish you and your family the very best

""maisie - you are right. construction has been badly hit by the recession. so why no interest in the work?"

Hmmmm, I wonder... hmm"

I know, but I couldn't possibly say.

I did all of that. Didn't make the slightest difference. Still had to give up work, lost everything...

But that fact won't be engaged with.

My mum was married to my father yet was still left a single parent. What's your point? That marriage will stop single parents?

Well, some women build careers and work experience and skills before and during motherhood so that they are able to self support.

For those that haven't, then the state should step in. But not at a level that is higher than the national average.

PeneloPeePitstop They can't engage with it, it might mean admitting they are making stuff up.

I gave up at about 18:28. Does anyone want to fill me in?

In case that wording troubles anyone, I'm not being offensive. Mind you, I could be trying to earn a bit of extra cash.

Actually, don't bother.

The biggest cause of divorce is marriage

And what about those who have escaped domestic violence?

You have no real answers to any questions and you are merely here to goad and upset.

Good god! There seems to be a new breed around here-the luck deniers. How can anyone who has a nice house to live in, a good job, food on the table and some spare be so arrogant as to refuse to acknowledge the input of luck to their circumstances? Luck can be short term, long term, one off and cumulative. Genetics, nurture, anti nurture (ie doing things because of the poor example set) being in the right group, the right school, coming into contact with one or many inspiring people. Having sufficiently stable physical or mental health to take advantage of all those moments or periods of luck. No one on here is denying the virtues or necessity of hard work in achieving "success". It's just astounding that some people can't see how soul destroying it must be to be hard working and still be treated like a feckless scrounger. I despair of some people's inability to think "there but for worse luck go I" because they're so damn sure that they're doing well simply because they're a cut above.

Well, some women build careers and work experience and skills before and during motherhood so that they are able to self support. For those that haven't, then the state should step in. But not at a level that is higher than the national average.

this sounds reasonable.

Skinny

I do not know anybody who has any benefit or mix of benefits having more than the national average.
Now if you are including the cost of housing in this, it is hardly the claimants fault that dear Maggie privatised all the social housing and now landlords charge a huge amount. Would you see them homeless?

Of course she would. Don't forget also flatbread who believes the state shouldn't be responsible for paying for the care of the disabled, so they should be in the gutter.

I think the £600 per week excluding HB and CB is more than the national average.

Skinny

I don't know anybody who gets this amount, or anywhere near it.

Skinny why don't you do something useful go read the dwp website pay attention to the rates and money you already have coming in section.

If your going to bleat about something and use it to goad people like you have been consistently for the last few days actually learn something about how it works.

Nope, me neither.

Some of the people on this thread are just talking nonsense. I have said I need to have some building work done in the garden and two local companies have not bothered to reply. To make sure that their argument stands up that there are NO jobs some on this thread say it because they dont want to work for me. They dont even know me!! I have never called them before!

And its South Bucks for anyone who thinks this place doesnt exist. Just within the M25 near Heathrow.

For those ignorant people dont you understand that you get child benefit, child tax credit, housing benefit, council tax benefit when you are WORKING. These are not unemployment benefits.

Skinnywitch
dawndonnasdaughter come one now, this is not personal. I'll say this - I would GLADLY have a higher tax bill to provide for the disabled and vulnerable. This is NOT about those people, it never was or will be.It is those people for whom the welfare state should be.

Well this is your problem, skinny. You want to decide who is worthy and who is not. You would like to penalise the children of the 'undeserving' poor from what I've read of your posts. You would like to punish those children for being born to 'undeserving' (in your opinion) parents. Well, fortunately the Welfare State makes no such distinction. Your posts (and those of one or two other posters) are really unpleasant and goady if I may say so.

"Well, some women build careers and work experience and skills before and during motherhood so that they are able to self support"

In your little world, everything runs tickety-boo, I should imagine. Everyone is able to go to university, everyone has a pick of the best jobs, everyone can afford childcare...

Well some of us live in the real world. My mum is 56 and works 35 hours a week still, so she is no shirker. But when my own father left, she was on her own. There was no state subsidised child care in 1980. She got her rent paid for her and some child benefit. Bills were paid for by her and my dad was one of the better absent fathers in that he helped her out financially still. We didn't have spare cash.

I'm not sure what it is you think that single-parent mothers get that is so enviable but take it from someone who lived it. It is not a nice lifestyle.

Anyway, since you're goading and being a bit of a twat, I doubt you care.

maisie, no-one cares. Your builders have nothing to do with the recession, benefits, joblessness.

Builders have been unreliable since the dawn of time. Get over it, get on ratedpeople.com and STFU.

Has anyone mentioned the recent Joseph row tree foundation. Report which should have finally for once and all laid to rest the myth of families with generations of worklessness (and yes they looked at Glasgow).

I was fortunate enough to hear some early research from it presented at a conference and I am very disappointed it didn't get the press coverage it richly deserved.