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To start a benefits "myth busting" thread so that I can link the thickos of Facebook to it

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MarmaladeTwatkins · 02/04/2013 15:33

When they start moaning about how people on benefits can afford diamond shoes and other such items.

I'll start.

  1. Housing benefit is mostly paid out to WORKING people. So all of this talk of going out and getting a job and buying their own home if they don't like the bedroom tax is a flawed argument.
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FasterStronger · 02/04/2013 20:02

morethan - do you want a job?

PeneloPeePitstop · 02/04/2013 20:03

I work 24/7 365 and I don't get paid what the local authority would have to shell out

Dawndonna · 02/04/2013 20:03

worklessness

Nomorefreemoney · 02/04/2013 20:03

YouTheCat as i find yours which is keep people trapped on welfare encourge them by default to relay on others to support there familes

With out making them responsible for there own actions .

YouTheCat · 02/04/2013 20:04

You are talking about a tiny minority.

Most people have the kids they can afford and then circumstances force them to have to ask for help. What would you have them do? Put their kids up for adoption?

What if a woman's husband leaves her and then doesn't pay any maintenance? What should she do with 3 children and no way to get a job? What about someone who has a brain tumour that makes them have fits and means they cannot drive and makes holding down a job impossible and dangerous? Should they just be left to rot? Because that's what it sounds like you are saying.

This is not the middle ages. I'd like to think some of us have evolved enough to have some consideration for other people.

PeneloPeePitstop · 02/04/2013 20:05

YouTheCat nah no not this lot.

Viviennemary · 02/04/2013 20:05

I did a calculation. And a single parent with four children is entitled to £579 a week benefit not including housing benefit. Is that right or is it a myth. That seems like a lot of money to me.

MarmaladeTwatkins · 02/04/2013 20:06

I'm sorry but this "benefit scummers breed like rabbits whilst taking all the money" is a load of old shit. Plus, child benefit is being capped very soon so what's your point anyway? I'd actually like to see the figures on how much this will save because I genuinely don't believe that there are simply thousands of couples churning out baby after baby whilst on benefits. I don't.

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IneedAsockamnesty · 02/04/2013 20:07

Myth viv I'm afraid

Nomorefreemoney · 02/04/2013 20:07

Well never mind you cat all change now thank god

I am off to be as i have work and at least tomorrow the majorty of my wage will not be going towards the shameless generation

YouTheCat · 02/04/2013 20:07

That would sound more like a month's worth of money, Viviennemary. Definitely not a week.

FasterStronger · 02/04/2013 20:08

reference?

usualsuspect · 02/04/2013 20:08

'On Welfare' dear god we really are going back in time.

Nomorefreemoney · 02/04/2013 20:09

Viviennemary dont forgt the £500 grant they can get there sweaty hand on for baby stuff

YouTheCat · 02/04/2013 20:10

£500 only for first child I think and aren't they stopping that anyway?

MarmaladeTwatkins · 02/04/2013 20:10

Nomorefreemoney, I hope your job is stable. I hope you never become disabled. I hope that your children never give you disabled grandchildren. Because with people with your attitude running the show, you'll all be fucked.

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PeneloPeePitstop · 02/04/2013 20:11

Kiss my ring.

Viviennemary · 02/04/2013 20:11

I would feel more sympathy if I knew how was the standard amount people had to live on. But this seems to vary between £53 a week and £579 a week. Let's bust the myth.

YouTheCat · 02/04/2013 20:12

Guardian Article

usualsuspect · 02/04/2013 20:12

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iwantanafternoonnap · 02/04/2013 20:13

I do think our welfare needed some reform as there are people that do make it a lifestyle choice and I have met a fair few. I do know some girls that had children to get social housing, my cousin being one of them and now her daughter at 15 has done the same. I do know people who love the benefit system and will only work part-time hours as they earn more in benefits than they could working full-time and therefore have more time with their kids/free time than I do. I do know people who have a greater social life than me and live on benefits and don't appear to struggle financially at all.

However, I also know people that do struggle and will be worse off due to the cuts. I also know that I am very lucky to not be stuck in a system that is very hard to get off due to minimum wage being so low. I am also very lucky that I have not been unemployed for any serious length of time because I have been able to be flexible, work whatever hours I wanted to in the past and studied to get the job I do now.

Not everyone is that lucky, not everyone is that healthy, not everyone has support to get themselves in work or in a well paid job. Not everyone wants to be on benefits that is on benefits. Making people poorer is not going to help them get a job. It is not going to get them more qualifications to get a better job. It is not going to make them healthier, get rid of their disability or degenerative disease. It is going to make them sicker, increase their chance of depression, limit their access to culture/activities and this will have a knock on effect on their children and their children's outlook on life. None of this is good for society in the long run.

In regards to the bedroom tax I understand the thinking behind people not having social housing that is too large for their needs but it has been ill thought out. People should be offered smaller housing to show that it is their and then if they refuse tax should be put in place. My nan is in a 4 bed family house with front and back garden it is way too big for her needs and should be given to a family that needs it and will enjoy it like her family did. Yes she would be sad, I would be sad but I expect that after a while of living in a much more appropriate place for her needs she would be okay. Families should not have to be in B and B accommodation, crammed into flats or hostels when their are family homes being blocked by pensioners.

I hope to god I never have to be on benefits it's a shit place to be. I might be a bit worse off financially than some on benefits but I have a mortgage at least and therefore some stability for my son. This new system is still not going to stop those that abuse it.

PeneloPeePitstop · 02/04/2013 20:13

That's overly simplistic. People have different entitlements which match their individual circumstances. Some benefits cancel out others - money is deducted from IS for various things. So people can't tell you standard rates because they don't exist.

FasterStronger · 02/04/2013 20:14

I just used MSE calculator and got £26,888.68pa for 1 adult + 4 DCs ages 1-9.

no disabilities in household.

www.moneysavingexpert.com/family/benefits-check

skinnywitch · 02/04/2013 20:14

That no one, not one single person, has any control over their own lives whatsoever. If they've done well, they're lucky, if they haven't- they're unlucky.

No one has any choice over who they shag and who they get pregnant by and when. None of us choose to smoke or eat well or marry decent men or wait to get pregnant until we are financially stable. It's all down to luck. Every single thing .

MarmaladeTwatkins · 02/04/2013 20:15

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