To think its completely outrageous for the govt to not include internet access as a necessity on the voucher programme when

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they are now demanding all benefit applications and correspondence has to be online? I think it is disgusting. Its pushing already marginalised and often vulnerable people beyond the edge. In our Borough over 20% of folk do not have internet access. These people are generally the poor, the foreign, those with MH issues. Is this just another step to ensure the poorest most vulnerable members of society have no voice or access to services?

Fgs it takes more than £50 to move!! You can't hire a van here for that and you need a job lined up where you are going and a place to live, school places for children, so new uniforms, paying to sort out redirection of mail, getting utilities etc set up. In what world is 'just moving' this easy option some make out it is?!!

Not everybody has children. You CAN hire a truck on Gumtree for that. WE did.

YANBU op - most of my clients don't have internet access - yes they have to access internet only sites such as the apprenticeship website to find jobs, all the colleges are online application only ...it's massively discriminatory

You can't get a van with two people to lift for £50, with insurance, that will move a full house, honestly. But besides, if you have little money, you are not going to have the deposit and first months rent, in cash, to move, anyway.

As for using an internet cafe, I don't think they even exist anymore. They do in Glasgow. Pretty much all coffee shops have wifi there. Shopping centres also have free wifi but maybe that is only in Glasgow??

Madame YANBU at all as to the point of your OP. I think it is a dreadful & cruel ruling.

That's not an internet cafe. An internet cafe is a cafe which have computers in them which customers can use.

There are a few victims on here actually.
One sort is definately those who deal with difficult circumstances and have the wherewithal to emerge and better themselves without having learnt the basic lesson of that.

To emerge you must have a combination of luck and talent or sheer gumption that helps you through.
And not everyone is blessed with luck or talent or gumption.
All sorts of things interfere - disability, depression, SN , poor education, poor decision making.

To come out the other side of adversity with no understanding that you were lucky makes you a fool. To have no empathy for others that need more help than you makes you so much worse.
To then spout sneery shite about others who failed where you succeeded makes you a victim of sorts because you are doomed to be a bit thick and unpleasant without ever really understanding why.

You need a laptop of your own to access wifi in a coffee shop.

Birds Ok, I just dreamed it... It was 2 guys with a Transit and it took them 2 hours to move all of our stuff 3 miles away. My husband helped them. I didn't say it was above board - we just did it as we couldn't afford anything else!

yes and you NEED A LAPTOP or smart phone etc to access the free wifi

Madam has it been like this all day????

Good for you. Not much of a splash at maths are we?

Many of the coffee shops here have free wifi for paying customers

Internet cafes charge you by the half hour and for making copies.

Its 4.39am in australia. you have been here for a good couple of hours. oh dear. You must be tired poor love. I certainly am.

Madame Defarge, I suspect the actual impact of this will be that many charities, particularly those that deal with the elderly, will spend a lot more time filling in benefit forms and have a lot less time left for supporting the elderly and other vulnerable groups in other ways.

It essentially means that the work of processing the forms, which currently would have been paid for by the government as it would been done by public sector workers when the form arrived, will now be partly done by the charities inputting information online on behalf of vulnerable people.

Don't go there Pag. we have covered pages on this topic with TB. maybe her bridge has superboosted internet access.

I mean home. home.

Gordy, that is what I mean by national provision, we (in Liverpool) seem to be lucky in that there seems to be different ways to do all applications.

To then spout sneery shite about others who failed where you succeeded makes you a victim of sorts because you are doomed to be a bit thick and unpleasant without ever really understanding why.

You have no idea of what I have gone through to come out of the other side. Depression FUCKING galore. Anxiety/panic attacks. I just don't take the victim mentality. Your's is the ONLY post that has angered me. Purely for the fact that you think anybody who has helped themself has not had the horror of waking up and not wanting to. Everybody has problems.

I am not poor but I do have some bloody empathy for those unfortunate eenough to be less well off.

No you can't hire a van for £50 even on Gumtree which you need the internet to access.

And moving three bloody miles isn't going to help if you are in an area of high unemployment and no jobs.

And what about a deposit and sorting out your utilities etc, that is all needed by people without children.

Again, you must be shattered. go to bed. it'll all be better in a few hours with some kip under your belt. Its not even five oclock of the morning round your way!

Australia has one time line? Really? Um no. It doesn't. And it is certainly not the time you are stating where I am!

Okay TB. AIBU?

And yes internet access in cafes etc if you are a paying customer!!

And I have a smart phone, a nice one with a largish screen, its still a
Pita for the internet, you couldn't use it for online forms for benefits.

I think you might mean time zone. zone. not line. HTH