To think its completely outrageous for the govt to not include internet access as a necessity on the voucher programme when

[MadameDefarge]

they are now demanding all benefit applications and correspondence has to be online? I think it is disgusting. Its pushing already marginalised and often vulnerable people beyond the edge. In our Borough over 20% of folk do not have internet access. These people are generally the poor, the foreign, those with MH issues. Is this just another step to ensure the poorest most vulnerable members of society have no voice or access to services?

And what if, in the meantime as you're saving for this £50, your washer breaks down, or your fridge? Then what?

Oh FFS - budget van hire. £50. Seriously? You can't work that out?????

Two, you may not be aware of the housing crisis we are entering thanks to the Bedroom tax, everyone is struggling to hang on to their tenancy's as it is. +h and if you know of a van that can move a house full of furniture and cost £50, please do advertise this.

Hallo there Pag. Maybe we should have free caparhiniaaas on offer to enable claimants to get through the 40 pages or so a form for HB has....

Oh so many victims.....

Oh twobras, honestly, yes some people cannot save even £2 a week. I know some people in negative every month, all they do is move money around, make late payments, beg or borrow to make ends meet. If you honestly cannot empathise with that I suggest this is the wrong thread for you to attempt to engage in.

How do I put this politely? We are done TB. over. Our fledging romance has run its course.

Birds Go on Gumtree. That is what we did. Seriously people. THINK OUTSIDE THE BLOODY BOX.

How is having your washer break making someone a victim?

Where is this fictional £50 van?

You have no idea, Bra. None whatsoever.

How can you go no Gumtree if you have no internet?

So, am AIBU? if anyone can remember the point in the first place before the splendid derailing of our dear friend across the waters.

YANBU Madame.

Thank you woolly!

YANBU it's all shit.

It's come full circle.

Fgs it takes more than £50 to move!! You can't hire a van here for that and you need a job lined up where you are going and a place to live, school places for children, so new uniforms, paying to sort out redirection of mail, getting utilities etc set up. In what world is 'just moving' this easy option some make out it is?!!

How is it someone's fault if their washer breaks?

Ladies, we might be nourishing the, ah, unworthy.

I personally would hate to go into a public place such as a library, Internet cafe and enter all of my personal details into a computer, not knowing who else has access to, what security or other programmes are on it or who else may be hanging around taking in what I am doing. Including my children details, my bank details, national insurance number. I know and can check personal security on my own computer and I know who is around while I am filling in details.

Out of interest, if you are all SO POOR, why are you all online in the middle of the afternoon?

what time is it in Australia, TB?

Yanbu. The Tories are the lowest of the low .

I had to make use of the computers at the library once. You don't just rock up, sit down and take as long as you want to do it. They have bookable time slots and IIRC it was restricted use, possibly 30 minutes. It is not the sort of place you want to deal with personal information and finances. People with jobs, young children, MH issues, mobility problems are going to find it a nightmare using public computers. As for using an internet cafe, I don't think they even exist anymore.

3yrs ago I took a maths refresher course. I was the only one out of 6 people who had home internet access. It was an eye opener for me.