To think its completely outrageous for the govt to not include internet access as a necessity on the voucher programme when

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they are now demanding all benefit applications and correspondence has to be online? I think it is disgusting. Its pushing already marginalised and often vulnerable people beyond the edge. In our Borough over 20% of folk do not have internet access. These people are generally the poor, the foreign, those with MH issues. Is this just another step to ensure the poorest most vulnerable members of society have no voice or access to services?

what age are you twobras? you remind me of a child who thinks everything revolves around him, or maybe a teenager who knows EVERYTHING.

you keep telling us you used the wifi in mcdonalds, without the need to buy anything, then you said you used it once when you popped in to check an email. SO do you recognize popping in to use the free wifi once is a bit different to sitting there for hours applying for jobs/benefits, maybe for most of the week? Don't you think this might be viewed a bit differently by the mcdonalds staff?

Actually, I shouldn't be drawn in to a discussion with you, its a bit like telling my child why he can't have everything done to suit him just because he can't see any other way to do it...difference is he's a child, you I guess are an adult...but the narrow minded viewpoint is the same. Strike that, my child is a lot more mature than you seem to be.

You have your answer two bras.

I said this, Birds and nobody came up with anything, So what do you all suggest then? Seriously?

About 3 pages ago.

ssd As I said ages ago, students use McDs for HOURS at a time. They are not asked to leave. I'm not going to insult you for a fight.

but wasnt aware australian dollars were currency in glasgow. oh go on then TB. tell us the, er, story.

sure they do, macca D's is full of students, the unemployed and low earners all taking up the tables using the free wifi and buying nothing..... and we've all got one at the end of our road

I made quite a few suggestions about how we could improve things, a few pages back.

Well done Madame. I will, er, tell you the, er, story. Not much to tell. Moved here 3 weeks ago to be with husband's family.

can we all hold off posting so TB can acknowledge the answer she's been given? several times? Oh, and revealed the australian income in glasgow dilemma?

ssd Maccas is full of students as they know they get free wifi. Low earners COULD go there but maybe don't know that they can. I don't know. I'm just stating what is available in terms of internet access. But apparently that means I am stealing....

What's the dilemma Madame?

I can't imagine how you would fill in the forms you need to on a smart phone.

Well youthecat I may get a free bus pass if I get DLA. Not that it would help on the days I am too ill to walk to the bus stop :o

Do you have a currency calculator Madame? If you're online....you should be able to work that one out.

" In 2011/12, £159bn was spent on benefits - an increase of 1.1% on the previous year. That is 23% of all public spending." Source: Guardian.

Tax credits and child benefit accounted for a further £12.22 bn expenditure, distributed through HMRC.

Welfare is not "... a tiny proportion of the state's expenditure."

WTAF is going on in this thread?

It's depressing really, to think there's people out there who think I'm lazy, stupid or both just because the job market is shit, particularly if you're not really very good at anything much. That probably does make me stupid to that kind of person, now I come to think about it.
But at least the majority of us "scroungers" are trying to make the best of what we have instead of looking down on other people.

Oh, and the answer is don't make the only way to apply for benefits be online. The current system works fine.

so the glasgow McDs you popped into a year ago to check your email for a job? three weeks! gosh you are up to speed on our benefits system! I congratulate you! what do you think of your answer?

It would take me forever to fill a form in on my phone.

Students use McDs for hours at a time with out being asked to leave?

No they don't. They buy something or they are asked to move on. Like every other establishment that offers wifi to its customers.

Can you explain the Aus$ thing TwoBras?

"Two", I answered that we need to make sure that support services\charities are of a consistent level, nationally. Everyone needs to be informed where they can access help, as not everyone seems to, at present. It isn't the case that individually benefits have to be initially claimed on-line and it won't ever be. There is to much of a difference to what is available, help wise, between LA's, also the knowledge of JC staff needs to be increased, as they don't seem to know the system (I do know that many contracts are temporary and not enough training given). The biggest problem is the lack of budgets available to support people who need basic advice, in the Charity sector. .

so the glasgow McDs you popped into a year ago to check your email for a job? three weeks! gosh you are up to speed on our benefits system! I congratulate you! what do you think of your answer? A year ago? Where did you get that from? I was there recently! We are here to be with my husband's family! What is hard to get about that?! It's not forever!

If people wih MH, no computer skills, foreign language, elderly, are forced to use library computers will the Libraries be a magnet for criminals? Fraud, stolen id etc...If they are forced to do everything online then they should have some training imo.

Lol at free wi fi at Mcdonalds. Yes because if you dont have food you surely have few spare laptops. Plus the bus fare to go there.

ssd and then there's Tracey.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=bnqEUBEkN6U

Birds Thank you. I understand fully what you are saying.

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