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"Food stamps" arrive in Britain next month. Good idea or not?

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vivizone · 27/03/2013 01:18

www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/mar/26/payment-cards-emergency-assistance-food-stamps

Article:

Food vouchers to provide emergency help but prevent spending on alcohol
Campaigners raise alarm as English councils replace cash loans with payment cards for people facing short-term financial crises

"Food stamps" arrive in Britain next month, when tens of thousands of vulnerable people will be issued with food vouchers in lieu of money to tide them over short-term financial crises.

Rather than, as now, offering a cash loan, most councils will from April offer new applicants who qualify for emergency assistance a one-off voucher redeemable for goods such as food and nappies.

Many of the 150 local authorities in England running welfare schemes have confirmed that they will issue the vouchers in the form of payment cards, which will be blocked or monitored to prevent the holder using them for alcohol, cigarettes or gambling.

Several plan to issue charity food parcels to people applying for crisis help, and are preparing to give cash grants to food banks to enable them to take on full-time staff and increase opening hours.

Each authority has drawn up eligibility rules, setting out who will qualify for crisis help and the conditions under which it will be given. One plans to make emergency help conditional on good behaviour.

The shift to in-kind and voluntary assistance follows the decision last year to abolish the government-run social fund and to replace it with more than 150 welfare assistance schemes, operated by English local authorities and the Welsh and Scottish governments.

The social fund ? known as the "backstop" of the welfare system ? typically offered small loans of about £50, repayable against future benefits, to help vulnerable individuals who faced short-term crises as a result of having cash stolen or benefits delayed.

A separate set of cash grants, typically worth about £1,000, was made to people with a disability, ex-prisoners and victims of domestic violence, to enable them to buy or replace items that would help them live independently, such as beds, clothing and kitchen utensils.

Although social fund spending represents a relatively tiny chunk of the social security bill, there is concern that the new arrangements will for the first time build into mainstream welfare provision the distribution of food voluntarily donated by the public, schools and businesses.

Lady Lister, a Labour peer and poverty expert, said the shift from cash loans to in-kind help would leave the most vulnerable people "high and dry".

"The social fund was a safety net under the safety net," Lister said. "I do not call putting money into food banks a safety net."

Some fear the use of in-kind vouchers will repeat the shortcomings of cashless payment cards, issued to asylum seekers. Critics said these cards left users unable to buy essential non-food items, and made them more likely to turn to risky or criminal ways of obtaining cash.

One welfare charity worker said: "There's a lot of naivety. The social fund is big, and meets a whole range of needs. There's going to be an awful lot of people that will need to tap into its successor."

But councils say huge reductions, in some cases cuts of up to a third, in the amount allocated to support people in hardship have left them with no option but to offer vouchers, refer applicants to food banks and secondhand furniture projects, and to drastically tighten eligibility. The government spent £230m on the social fund in 2009-10 but has allocated £178m to local authorities for 2013-14.

Inquiries by the Guardian found that:

? Conservative-run Hampshire council plans to invest a big chunk of its welfare fund allocation in charities and food banks. Over time, it hopes to stop offering food vouchers as part of a shift towards "reducing the entitlement culture".

? Labour-run Manchester city council will offer successful applicants low-interest loans of up to £200 a year, with a credit union, rather than food vouchers. It says in future years grants for furniture and cooking utensils will be offered on condition that recipients sign up to "expected behaviours and actions".

? Bristol city council's crisis fund restricts emergency payments to food, heating, nappies and toiletries. It says the cards "should not be used for cigarettes, alcohol or entertainment", and if misuse occurs it will seek repayment.

? Labour-controlled Darlington council plans to invest £58,000 in a church food bank, including £30,000 to enable the charity to take on a full-time worker.

From April, thousands of applicants who now have access to crisis help will be turned down under the schemes. Many councils plan to refer the expected rising numbers of unsuccessful applicants to soup kitchens and other charities.

Alison Garnham, chief executive of the Child Poverty Action Group, said: "Local authorities have been given a difficult task, to deliver support on a reduced budget at a time of rising need.

"But we are seriously concerned that some authorities will not be providing any access to cash to families to meet their essential needs, and may be offering support in a way that serves to stigmatise those who need it."

Others have warned that people who are turned down for crisis help will turn to crime, begging or loan sharks. Almost all authorities are bracing themselves for an expected rise in demand for crisis support from April, when the bulk of the benefit reforms, aimed at saving £18bn, are introduced. Among these is the so-called bedroom tax.

There is also nervousness that any glitches in universal credit, from October, will see an increase in poorer households seeking help from welfare schemes.

The government, and some charities, have argued that the existing system of crisis loans was abused by people ? often young men ? who did not use the loans for genuine emergencies. They argue the new system will discourage dependency, more efficiently directing scarce resources at the people who most need them.

The Guardian also found that:

? The cost of administering each of the 150-plus new welfare assistance schemes is typically equivalent to around 20% of the value of the entire local fund. Several authorities, including the Welsh government, have outsourced the running of the voucher schemes to private contractors.

? Local authorities are worried that the new patchwork of welfare assistance systems will lead to a postcode lottery, with vulnerable people moving to apply for crisis help in more "generous" boroughs.

? There are concerns that some welfare systems will not be ready by 1 April. The Furniture Re-use Network said a survey showed two-thirds of its members believed the new system would not be in place in time. There are concerns that, despite huge growth in the numbers of food banks in the past two years, many parts of the country will have little charity food assistance capacity.

OP posts:
JakeBullet · 27/03/2013 15:48

Thanks clouds, I know where to go next time I am in need Wink

mathanxiety · 27/03/2013 15:51

What sort of timeframe are you assuming might be involved in securing a cooker? Would there be warehouses of cookers going a begging and someone could just rock up to the door and pick one out if the need arose?

Would there be a delivery service so no-one would have to have their children carry it home in their shorts and tshirts (and kill two birds with the one stone, prevent rickets and ensure a hot meal all at the same time, wow) or try to get it home on the bus?

Or would there be some sort of interview and fact finding operation followed by box checking and waiting to see if a cooker was available and if so when it could be secured and installed? And wouldn't all of this depress the trade in cookers and ensure that people actually trying to make a living selling them, delivering them and installing them would be run out of business by all this interference in the free markets?

Again, loans for things people don't actually need -- they are loans. Just as credit card 'purchases' are made using loans.

noddyholder · 27/03/2013 16:18

exactly mathanxiety

ParsingFancy · 27/03/2013 16:21

Yep, CraftyBec. Someone a few months back mentioned their local council's financial plan included food banks it didn't fund. They had actually written not-yet-given private charitable donations into their accounting.

MurderOfGoths · 27/03/2013 16:25

"I don't think that not having a cooker is a crisis that can only be solved by giving money. I could be solved by giving a cooker instead."

Funnily enough I don't see the govt agreeing to that either.

So what about other emergency needs? Rent, bills, travel, etc.

TheRealFellatio · 27/03/2013 16:26

Hang on - they are for food! How can they replace a crisis loan that might be for a cooker or a plumber's bill? Previously some people would have applied for crisis loans for food, so I am assuming if the problem is lack of food they'll be given food vouchers. i'm not sure why we are talking about cookers. Confused

i'll have to read the article again. Either I missed something or you are trying to be all smoke and mirrors at me. Grin

Peahentailfeathers · 27/03/2013 16:29

What does Hampshire Council mean by "reducing the entitlement culture?"

I'm more worried about the entitlement culture of businesses that make huge profits paying UK staff minimum wage or just above, meaning that their workers' wages have to be subsidised by benefits. Or the entitlement culture of the Coalition government who weren't even voted in.

Plus, being on benefits isn't a crime. It doesn't mean you're a bad person, or stupid, or lazy.

MurderOfGoths · 27/03/2013 16:31

Fellatio It's this bit which is bringing up the talk of cookers

"Campaigners raise alarm as English councils replace cash loans with payment cards for people facing short-term financial crises"

It seems the food vouchers are replacing the crisis loans.

Peahentailfeathers · 27/03/2013 16:31

Ah, that doesn't make much sense! I can be a bit frothy-mouthed about things that bash poor people. I'm just grateful I don't need benefits at the moment.

TheRealFellatio · 27/03/2013 16:39

But surely there must still be a way of giving them to cooker? Confused not much used being given a bunch of vouchers for potatoes of you've got nothing to cook them on! I think we are getting slightly muddled over two separate issues here, but I stand by what I said - for very vulnerable, chaotic families I think food vouchers are a good idea. Not ideal, but better than the alternative.

NC78 · 27/03/2013 16:41

The social fund is going in April that's why everyones talking about cookers.

AThingInYourLife · 27/03/2013 16:45

"I don't think that not having a cooker is a crisis that can only be solved by giving money. I could be solved by giving a cooker instead. That way, problem of no cooker is solved, and the problem of people asking for loans for things they don't actually need would also be solved."

:o :o

Really and truly, a Stalinist who probably votes Tory.

You couldn't make it up :o

Do you get that the cooker is an example?

That there is not, and could never be, a definitive list of all possible emergencies?

(Not to mention a ready-made non-cash immediate solution to each one)

The point of a system like this is that it needs to be flexible.

Which means keeping it as far out of the hands of meddlesome busybodies, such as yourself, as possible.

The best people to decide whether or not there is an emergency is a combination of
A - the people asking for the loan
B - the people being asked for the loan.

This money is not a gift. So there is no need to get too worked up if some spoilt, lascivious poor people irresponsibly borrow money to give their unworthy brats the "luxury" of a present at Christmas.

Viviennemary · 27/03/2013 16:51

I really can't see the problem with food stamps. At least it will ensure the children are getting food even if other bills aren't getting paid which is the important thing surely. Food should be a priority.

SecretLindtBunny · 27/03/2013 16:52

What about a place to live?
What about means to eat? Means to stay warm?
What about means to get to job interviews/pick children from school if they are ill?

It isn't about merely existing.

mathanxiety · 27/03/2013 17:01

Coming hard on the heels of the end of free legal aid unless a victim can prove abuse (meaning in effect that victims will need broken bones), all of this will have a horrible impact on people fleeing domestic abuse and of course on children.

There is more to abuse than broken bones, and victims often do need cookers and school uniforms and furniture (such as cots or playpens or high chairs). Unless it is envisaged that the police will accompany victims back to their residences so they can take things they need, or there are plans to give police power to throw out abusers and allow victims to remain in their homes and support them in making rent or mortgage payments and paying their bills instead -- highly unlikely.. I am not holding my breath waiting for the little details of assistance that discourages dependency in crises such as this to be worked out by officials who have probably never been in this sort of situation.

Domestic abuse has reverberations that society will eventually pay for, and pay dearly. Refusing to pay for all necessary support of victims and their children when crisis hits means deferring the bill until later. There is no money saved.

cantspel · 27/03/2013 17:01

I think food stamps are a good idea.

There is a thread going on in chat at the moment asking has anyone helped someone else out with food in the last 6 months. Plenty have posted about helping out family and admit the reason why they need to help out is because their relative pisses their money up the wall or refuses to give up smoking

Dont believe me
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/1716471-Have-you-helped-family-friends-out-with-food-in-last-6-months?msgid=38065327
well go and read and call them liars then

mathanxiety · 27/03/2013 17:04

It really is Stalinism, AThing. 'To each according to his needs' (as decided by the government)

mathanxiety · 27/03/2013 17:10

Vivienmary, the thing is, it won't ensure children get food. What it will ensure is a black market in vouchers, a sharp rise in loan sharking and consequent murders of loan sharks and examples made of victims, trafficking of children and use of children as collateral for loans.

Think this couldn't happen? This was par for the course in the city of Limerick about 50 years ago when an uncle of mine lived there and clubbed together with friends to set up credit unions to drive the loan sharks out of business. The sharks in questions tended to be relatively well off widows whose grown sons were the goons. Lots of little old ladies met a sticky end. Lots of children were victimised by the goons. A cousin of mine who is a priest saw the same problems on council estates in parishes he worked in.

carben · 27/03/2013 17:12

For the last year or so Crisis Loans have only been available for living expenses ie food and gas and electricity. There was a whole range of situations in which they could be paid but could not be paid for bills, rent, items or services. Up to a year or so ago they could be considered for 'items' such as a cooker or a fridge but the government changed that at the same time as they reduced the daily amount that could be paid as a crisis loan. CL's end tomorrow as will Community Care Grants. Budget Loans will continue for a while until they get absorbed by Universal Credit. As far as I am award SSMG,s will continue as will Funeral Payments for a while anyway.

Dawndonna · 27/03/2013 17:20

Cantspel I sincerely hope you don't mean for all benefits.

SlowlorisIncognito · 27/03/2013 17:21

Everyone needs things other than food though- at a bare minimum in a crisis situation they might need new shoes or a new coat as well as heating and some kind of fuel for a hot meal in winter?

The problem is crisis loans were previously used to bridge the gap between people applying for benifits e.g. JSA when they lost a job and recieveing their first payment. From personal experience, this once took 10 weeks. Admitedly,I got a job after only three weeks, so did not chase it up at all, but I do not think this is especially unusual. People can't fill all their needs for say 6 weeks just with food stamps.

I am not completely against some goods being given in kind to some people some of the time. I think in some circumstances- for example giving extra help to those who are struggling, gifts of vouchers could be at times appropriate, but not completely replacing crisis loans with them.

However, my father volunteers in a centre for refugees and asylumn seerkers. In various circumstances these people are given a card similar to the one proposed which can buy food and other esentials. It can only be used in major high street stores- many of which are only found in the centre of the city or in large out of town stores- whilst the refugees may be housed elsewhere, and have to walk several miles with young children to use this card. I think we can all agree this is not ideal.

It is easy to say they should be given a bus pass, but this is not what is being proposed.

I think the fact that it is being implimented by local councils could cause problems as well with different provision in different areas.

mathanxiety · 27/03/2013 17:26

The fractured nature of provision will cause all sorts of issues. Right off the top of my head, what about people who live in one county and have to abide by a certain set of rules with their voucher but their nearest supermarket is in another county that operates another set of rules. The issue of transport is huge.

cantspel · 27/03/2013 17:30

Dawndonna No but as a top up instead of a crisis loan yes.

Dawndonna · 27/03/2013 17:35

Cantspel, as has been pointed out there are other forms of crises, forms where a food voucher would be useless. Because some piss money up the wall, you do not have the right to deprive all.

Viviennemary · 27/03/2013 17:38

I am in favour of Credit Unions mathanxiety. And I don't think they are promoted and supported nearly enough. But I don't think foodstamps are an entirely bad idea for families.

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