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"Food stamps" arrive in Britain next month. Good idea or not?

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vivizone · 27/03/2013 01:18

www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/mar/26/payment-cards-emergency-assistance-food-stamps


Article:

Food vouchers to provide emergency help but prevent spending on alcohol
Campaigners raise alarm as English councils replace cash loans with payment cards for people facing short-term financial crises

"Food stamps" arrive in Britain next month, when tens of thousands of vulnerable people will be issued with food vouchers in lieu of money to tide them over short-term financial crises.

Rather than, as now, offering a cash loan, most councils will from April offer new applicants who qualify for emergency assistance a one-off voucher redeemable for goods such as food and nappies.

Many of the 150 local authorities in England running welfare schemes have confirmed that they will issue the vouchers in the form of payment cards, which will be blocked or monitored to prevent the holder using them for alcohol, cigarettes or gambling.

Several plan to issue charity food parcels to people applying for crisis help, and are preparing to give cash grants to food banks to enable them to take on full-time staff and increase opening hours.

Each authority has drawn up eligibility rules, setting out who will qualify for crisis help and the conditions under which it will be given. One plans to make emergency help conditional on good behaviour.

The shift to in-kind and voluntary assistance follows the decision last year to abolish the government-run social fund and to replace it with more than 150 welfare assistance schemes, operated by English local authorities and the Welsh and Scottish governments.

The social fund ? known as the "backstop" of the welfare system ? typically offered small loans of about £50, repayable against future benefits, to help vulnerable individuals who faced short-term crises as a result of having cash stolen or benefits delayed.

A separate set of cash grants, typically worth about £1,000, was made to people with a disability, ex-prisoners and victims of domestic violence, to enable them to buy or replace items that would help them live independently, such as beds, clothing and kitchen utensils.

Although social fund spending represents a relatively tiny chunk of the social security bill, there is concern that the new arrangements will for the first time build into mainstream welfare provision the distribution of food voluntarily donated by the public, schools and businesses.

Lady Lister, a Labour peer and poverty expert, said the shift from cash loans to in-kind help would leave the most vulnerable people "high and dry".

"The social fund was a safety net under the safety net," Lister said. "I do not call putting money into food banks a safety net."

Some fear the use of in-kind vouchers will repeat the shortcomings of cashless payment cards, issued to asylum seekers. Critics said these cards left users unable to buy essential non-food items, and made them more likely to turn to risky or criminal ways of obtaining cash.

One welfare charity worker said: "There's a lot of naivety. The social fund is big, and meets a whole range of needs. There's going to be an awful lot of people that will need to tap into its successor."

But councils say huge reductions, in some cases cuts of up to a third, in the amount allocated to support people in hardship have left them with no option but to offer vouchers, refer applicants to food banks and secondhand furniture projects, and to drastically tighten eligibility. The government spent £230m on the social fund in 2009-10 but has allocated £178m to local authorities for 2013-14.

Inquiries by the Guardian found that:

? Conservative-run Hampshire council plans to invest a big chunk of its welfare fund allocation in charities and food banks. Over time, it hopes to stop offering food vouchers as part of a shift towards "reducing the entitlement culture".

? Labour-run Manchester city council will offer successful applicants low-interest loans of up to £200 a year, with a credit union, rather than food vouchers. It says in future years grants for furniture and cooking utensils will be offered on condition that recipients sign up to "expected behaviours and actions".

? Bristol city council's crisis fund restricts emergency payments to food, heating, nappies and toiletries. It says the cards "should not be used for cigarettes, alcohol or entertainment", and if misuse occurs it will seek repayment.

? Labour-controlled Darlington council plans to invest £58,000 in a church food bank, including £30,000 to enable the charity to take on a full-time worker.

From April, thousands of applicants who now have access to crisis help will be turned down under the schemes. Many councils plan to refer the expected rising numbers of unsuccessful applicants to soup kitchens and other charities.

Alison Garnham, chief executive of the Child Poverty Action Group, said: "Local authorities have been given a difficult task, to deliver support on a reduced budget at a time of rising need.

"But we are seriously concerned that some authorities will not be providing any access to cash to families to meet their essential needs, and may be offering support in a way that serves to stigmatise those who need it."

Others have warned that people who are turned down for crisis help will turn to crime, begging or loan sharks. Almost all authorities are bracing themselves for an expected rise in demand for crisis support from April, when the bulk of the benefit reforms, aimed at saving £18bn, are introduced. Among these is the so-called bedroom tax.

There is also nervousness that any glitches in universal credit, from October, will see an increase in poorer households seeking help from welfare schemes.

The government, and some charities, have argued that the existing system of crisis loans was abused by people ? often young men ? who did not use the loans for genuine emergencies. They argue the new system will discourage dependency, more efficiently directing scarce resources at the people who most need them.

The Guardian also found that:

? The cost of administering each of the 150-plus new welfare assistance schemes is typically equivalent to around 20% of the value of the entire local fund. Several authorities, including the Welsh government, have outsourced the running of the voucher schemes to private contractors.

? Local authorities are worried that the new patchwork of welfare assistance systems will lead to a postcode lottery, with vulnerable people moving to apply for crisis help in more "generous" boroughs.

? There are concerns that some welfare systems will not be ready by 1 April. The Furniture Re-use Network said a survey showed two-thirds of its members believed the new system would not be in place in time. There are concerns that, despite huge growth in the numbers of food banks in the past two years, many parts of the country will have little charity food assistance capacity.

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carben · 27/03/2013 17:40

The Crisis Loan and Community Care Grant budget has been handed over to LA's, None of it is ring- fenced and Councils are free to do what they like with it. some may even decide not to have an emergency fund and plough it into other services. Some will be administered in house - others contacted out or handed over to charities. It's pic 'n' mix and the gov't can now absolve themselves of any responsibility and call it localism in action. They can then sanction people to their heart's content without having to pick up any of the pieces. I feel sorry for local authorities especially those already struggling financially because I am pretty sure they have no idea do the tsunami about to hit them.

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DoFliesHaveKnees · 27/03/2013 17:46

I know someone who works for a Local Authority and their budget is totally ring fenced, it can only be used for Crisis Grants and Community Care Grants. It will be massively audited which you would expect, so they are unable to use it for anything else. The difference come 1st April is that the Crisis Grants and Community Care Grants don't need to be paid back. Crisis Grants will be issued for disasters and emergencies and Community Care Grants to help prevent applicants live in the local community, stop them going into care, families under pressure and prisoners coming back into the community for example.

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carben · 27/03/2013 17:54
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DoFliesHaveKnees · 27/03/2013 17:57

I wonder if it depends on the local authority? We're in Scotland, so not sure if it might be different rules or they have just decided to ring fence it. That's a good page to link to, thanks!

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RubyGates · 27/03/2013 18:01

Our local Credit Union went bust.

Too many people taking money out. Not enough putting money in.

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CraftyBec · 27/03/2013 21:14

I worked in the USA in a very poor neighbourhood, volunteering in a welfare rights office - food stamps often didn't last the month (especially if spent at local, more expensive shops), and when they ran out the people would rely on churches for food parcels. So food stamps are not the answer. That was at the beginning of the 1990s - very sad to see the same developments here in the UK now; just goes to sharpen the gap between rich and poor in society.

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mam29 · 27/03/2013 21:19

All this talk cookers reminds me of my 1st flat.

Emigrated from wales to england for last boyfreinds job.

I got job too but was low paid must have been 800-900 quid net a month.

But was just me

when we split we dident really have much to divvy up as rented a semi furnished flat.

stayed in area due to my job.
managed to get studio flat £350 a month
council tax and bills on top.
commuting costs of train as moved out the city to get cheaper rent.

I couldent afford much when moved in.

I brought 2nd hand fridge from a shop
only had a microwave even considered getting a camping hob as missed making pasta and microwave stuff was pricey.
got given an old washing machine.
Had blow up matress.

I was lucky mam loaned me some money

Over time I got few other bits and eventually brought oven from same place as got fridge .

These days we live in house but buy so much 2nd hand or current sofa was free, brought dining table £10 ebay.

Find buying cheap stuff not problem.

back to oven we have landlords old oven.
really want anew one but cant afford it

its transporting it and fitting in it need someone trained.

most people on benefits might not have transport.

Xmas is very hard most people ordered pressies on credit then got into further trouble.

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Darkesteyes · 27/03/2013 22:07
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CraftyBec · 27/03/2013 22:45

Yes, I've just spotted that article by Suzanne Moore too! She is right - some people will be struggling with severely lack of choice of food assistance while others ooh and ah over baking intricate cakes and artisan breads.

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jaywall · 27/03/2013 23:17

Brilliant idea.
Doesn't go nearly far enough but its a start.

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usualsuspect · 27/03/2013 23:21

Would you like to expand on that jaywall?

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bochead · 27/03/2013 23:32

If we look around us globally then the gated communities of South Africa and Brazil only give the illusion of security to a very select few. The underclass will simply ape the behaviors of their betters more and more, as time goes on. A poor youth will look at his opportunities and decide that if it's OK for the banks to rob a nation blind, then he can do the same. In the end the wholesale rush to abandon any compassion will do no one any favours.

There was a side to Victorian Britain that was extremely ugly and dark - child trafficking and prostitution was rife, violent crime levels were very high, the streets stank. For many life was short, harsh and brutal.

Our ancestors returning from the hell of WW1 fought hard to improve the living standards of the working man. It then took the horror of WW2 for us to realise the dream of a democratic, nation with opportunities based on merit and hard work, with a safety net for all of us if we fell victim to spousal abandonment, illness, disabling accident, unemployment etc, etc. The welfare state wasn't "given" to us, ordinary folk campaigned long and hard for it, and paid higher taxes to cover it. The ordinary person's tax bill is not being reduced - it's providing welfare payments to the bankers, who as yet show no signs of refunding their own "crisis loans".

Given the attitudes of some on this thread I'm just waiting to hear that the child labour laws have been repealed (after we'd save on air miles if we used British children rather than 3rd world ones, so much better for the environment), and that little women don't need the vote after all. Equal pay and so many other hard won rights are being eroded by the new welfare reforms. Loss of legal aid, and the reduction in funding for women fleeing violent men, coupled with the contempt shown towards the need to ensure adequate collection of child maintenance (charging the abandoned parent for the pathetic services provided by the CSA) is only the thin end of the wedge.

Food vouchers are one way of using up the unsold horse meat, one of the most recent corporate scams. For those who are feeling secure today, do remember that globalization means that gradually even the most skilled white collar jobs are being encroached upon by the phenomena known as outsourcing. If it isn't your scientific research job that evaporates into the ether, it will be that of your child.

What sort of legacy are we leaving them in our spite filled drive to demonise the poor? I'm seeing lots of initiatives aimed at restricting the choices of the poor, which may make those who are only 3 months mortgage payments from disaster themselves feel better in the short term. What I'm not seeing from the current administration is any sort of coherent plan to foster the ingenuity, creativity, & will to succeed that this country so badly needs to pull itself out of a financial black hole which the majority if it's citizens had no meaningful role in creating.

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noddyholder · 27/03/2013 23:40

Ah the charming jaywall returns to join the rest of the delightful new posters we have had in march.

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AudrinaAdare · 27/03/2013 23:41

Bloody hell bochead, that is the best post on this subject that I have ever read.

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Darkesteyes · 28/03/2013 00:10

I agree bochead. Excellent post. Youve just reminded me of something. Last Saturday we had a family do for my DNs 18th. She loves crime thrillers and mysteries so i bought her some books on the subject (along with a Dirty Works gift set)
On the same afternoon we watched a DVD of mine at my parents that she had been dying to watch for ages but because it was an 18 her dad made her wait.
It was From Hell the Hughes Brothers version of the events surrounding the Whitechapel murders in 1888. (it has Johnny Depp and Robbie Coltrane in it)
One of the items found on the bodies in the film (cant remember if it was accurate of the real events) was the stalks found from a bunch of grapes.
Coltranes line in the film is "Grapes why grapes. How on earth can a bangtail afford grapes?
My local Sainsburys are charging £4.98 for a bunch of grapes now in 2013. I cant afford them and even if i could i wouldnt buy them on principle.
Rewatching the film i felt its poignancy with now not just because of the women that were brutalized and murdered but because of the fact that the grapes incident in the film seems to reflect that many poor people still cant afford to buy things like that.
One of the books i bought my niece was
Underworld London. Crime and Punishment in the Capital City. it charts the history of crime in London and the desperation behind it from Elizabethan times up until the 1960s. I had a flick through it while DN was eating her bitrhday cake. Some of the people featured were violent criminals yes, but the desperation was heartbreaking.
I remember studying the Poor Law at high school. They really do want to take us back there.

Underworld London

www.amazon.co.uk/Underworld-London-Crime-Punishment-Capital/dp/0857201166/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1364428188&sr=1-2&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-21

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SchroSawMargeryDaw · 28/03/2013 00:15

Clouds You really are lovely you know that? Hmm

Just so you (and all your other friends on here) know, I had a couple of crisis loans when I was working and paying tax. Shocker.

I take it people will no longer have to pay these back? How can they dictate what you spend it on if you have to pay it back?

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AudrinaAdare · 28/03/2013 01:08

I had a crisis LOAN when on income support and failing to sell my house which went on the market the day after the World Trade Centre Bombings.

My boiler broke, but because I owned the house (wasn't even getting the mortgage interest paid because it was nine months from becoming unemployed before getting help then) I couldn't afford to get it fixed.

It was February, minus zero and I had an active older baby DD who regularly climbed out of her cot. I was told to turn on the oven at night with the door open, put her cot in front of it in the tiny kitchen downstairs and leave her to it.

I went to the offices to beg for help and was told by a few veterans that I should lie and say that my purse was stolen or that DD had put all my cash in the washing machine or I would not be given a loan. From the social fund, which my N.I contributions over the years had paid into.

The utter contempt that everyone there that day was treated with will stay with me always. They closed the shutters, laughed and joked while eating cake and made loud bets on how late they could issue the emergency giros before the post office four flights down would shut and how fast we would all have to be.

I am a qualified teacher and had worked for many years . My DD was born with serious health issues. These things can happen to anyone.

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Darkesteyes · 28/03/2013 01:31

Audrina thats horric treatment Disgusting.Angry

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bochead · 28/03/2013 01:54

Audrina - sadly many don't believe how dehumanising the whole "benefits" experience is until they experience it for themselves.

My ideas (bearing in mind I'm a Mum not an economist) for what SHOULD have been in the budget.

  1. A total amnesty on NI and other employment taxation for small businesses under £250K per year gross profit in the 2011-12 tax year on any new staff they manage to employ over the next 5 years.


  1. VAT exemption for derelict housing brought back into use over the next 5 years. (must have been previously unoccupied for at least 2 years)


  1. For the under 35's - the right to live rent free for 10 years in any derelict local authority housing providing they can bring up to the previous governments decent homes standard within 3 years of signing the tenancy agreement. (Young adults would learn marketable skills as well as gaining a secure home.)


  1. A VAT reduction on British made products to 10%.


  1. A guarantee that full benefits will be retained for a full 2 years from the initiation of a business start up by those with disabilities, lone parents, etc. This would make it possible for many to turn a pipe dream into a reality.


  1. Guaranteed harsh and punative penalties for those who do not pay child maintenance - name and shame in local press. A "Dead beat parent" propoganda campaign (hey if the gov can run one to malign the disabled they can tackle hearts and minds on this!) including requiring non-payers to sell their homes, cars, give up their passports, etc etc. If we can send resident parents to prison for non-school attendance we can tackle this enduring cause of child poverty.


  1. There is no reason amazon, starbucks et all shouldn't pay the same UK taxes as their totally UK based competitors on profits obtained from UK customers so an immediate closing of that loop hole.


  1. A complete moratorium on bonuses at those financial institutions who borrowed from the taxpayer until those funds are returned to the public purse.


  1. A lifting of all the nonsensical redtape that prevents projects like "the incredible edible Todmorden" being replicated all over the UK for the benefit of ordinary communities.


10. A micro-loan scheme for small business start ups such as that seen in the 3rd world.

11. Stopping the obvious daftness of some benefits such as winter fuel payment and child tax credit payments etc being paid to individuals who reside permanently overseas. Scottish pensioners could use the money to stay alive in some cases.

12. Some sort of ID system for the NHS requiring proof of residence in the UK for those parts which are falling apart at the seams in our major cities due to demand such as maternity units. (I'm sick of seeing people flying in to gve birth from overseas cos we give them free treatment when British women are being told their is no room at the inn at their local hospital)

13. An abrupt end to the nonsense whereby taxpayers funds given to the banks for the express purpose of residential mortgage lending and business loans are not released to the public for the purpose they were intended. Hoarding these funds is just wrong.

The above are just ideas, none of them perfect but perhaps a step in the right direction for discussion?
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wannabeEostregoddess · 28/03/2013 08:00

Audrina that is terrible but I am not surprised.

When I was pregnant with DD1 I was "managed out" by my line manager who was a cow. At 24 weeks pregnant I had left my job from the stress of her behaviour and in the process had to move to a cheaper house and apply for benefits. They were taking so long that I had to apply for a crisis loan. Having worked since I was in school the JC was a shock to the system.

I said to the lady "I need to apply for a crisis loan."

She looked me up and down and sarkily replied "Whats the crisis?" Obviously I was too well dressed to be in crisis or something. I sat there until 4pm (from 12) because they "forgot" about me when all the payments were being issued. Hmm

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AudrinaAdare · 28/03/2013 08:30

Interesting ideas there Smile My experience was over ten years ago and not uncommon it seems
Mind you my friend rang about a crisis loan last year and was told to ask the father of her children for food and nappies. Her DP died.

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Xenia · 28/03/2013 12:18

I certainly agree with bochead about being careful to ensure women don't lose the vote. Every woman who moves for a man's career or who lives on male earnings or works part or flexi time moves that day closer. Go out there. Out earn men and never ever give up full time work to have babies or you will lose the gains we have achieved.

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wannabeEostregoddess · 28/03/2013 12:22

Yes because women losing the vote was the worst thing in Bocheads post.

:o

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Xenia · 28/03/2013 13:18

(Certainly it is relevant - women who work hard at school, get good qualifications, pick good careers, never give up work even if babies come along, who lean in and don't play second fiddle to men and who have non sexist relationships at home and only do their fair share of housework tend not to be the ones needing food stamps. - Something to try to ensure the next generation is better at - women putting careers first and men second and thus avoid the risks of living on male earnings).

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scott2609 · 28/03/2013 14:56

Since nobody else has said it...

People will still be able to apply for budgeting loans, which can be used for things such as clothes, travel costs, and furniture, amongst other things.

www.gov.uk/budgeting-loans/overview

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