Are SAHMS discriminated against. Red magazine are doing an article about it.

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Just seen this on twitter.

Are stay at home mums discriminated against? Are you one and unhappy with benefits, or feel judged? Tell us.
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We dont qualify for CB, but I never regarded it as 'mine'. It was money towards the cost of children, from the govt, and as such was as much their fathers as mine. (though it was all spent on the children.)

Scottish, it is not based on household income. It is based on one earner on 50k. That is what the fuss is about. The fact is, if a family on a single income of 50k don't need it, then I'm damn sure that a family on a joint income of 100k are hardly in need of it either. They are laughing all the way to the bank to get that second buy to let.

Scottish I am using a style that other posters use all the time to reference a name and to alert others to the point you're responding to made by that poster in bold. There is NO metaphorical fist shaking as I'm perfectly capable of articulating my point of view. Basically, you don't like that point of view so call it 'lame' or some other antiquated insult that went out with the ark!

Yes you're belittling a SAHP's role, beginning with your insistence in calling them housewives which lets face it, has negative connotations of subservience, the 'little wifey' worrying herself over what to cook for the cake sale! I don't recognise that role at all. I am often occupied with taking my toddler out and about in the week- museums, the beach, kite flying, parks, the aquarium, something called 'bounce and paint'. In between picking up and dropping off my DS at school. After school pick up, sometimes the park, swimming, seaside. The housework is slotted in but in no way dominates the day or defines who I am.

Little, my husband would love to keep his hard earned cash and spend it on his own children. Why should we subsidise a family on 100k?

I think its sad that its hard to find work if you've taken time out to raise children. I also think its sad that there is very little opportunity to find professional work that's part time.

I chose to return to work after mat leave and thankfully was offered part time work. If part time work was readily available in the professional jobs market though then I would have delayed my return to work by a couple of years.

You're being ridiculous now George. We spent several years with us both working and were no financially better off than if I'd stayed home. Nursery wiped out my income. In fact taking into account commute and work clothes I would probably have been marginally better off not working. Talking about buy to lets is a bit insulting tbh

Osbourne I was specifically answering you,in your case you don't work.the household income is your dh
I do understand how the cb changes work,and the eligibility criteria,and resultant furore over perceived inconsistencies
I also think £50k is an adequate wage,it is prosperous

60 odd years ago CB (family allowance) was given to the woman so that she was not totally dependent on her husband to provide food for her children. It was the only money she had to call her own. In those days women were not expected to work outside the home and instead devoted themselves to domestic duties. We have moved away from the male breadwinner model and so perhaps we should abolish CB altogether?

ridiculous, I wondered why I came back to this thread. I'm off to have a glass of wine with my dh who has just got in from his two hour commute.

Been doing a bit of research....as a sahm myself, this was interesting (looks like it's open access) with one of the conclusions being that parenting quality had a stronger and more consistent relationship with long term outcomes for children.

Not exactly related to the OP, but some posters have been asking for decent evidence. Made me think anyway.

Waterfalls I totally agree with you.

I now work part-time in a profession and I am very, very lucky to have been offered a part time job. That said, it was a case of now or never. I would have loved to spend more time at home with DD but I never would have had such a great job offer again and as I work in a profession which moves fast, taking a few years out would be the end of my career.

Enabling more women to work part-time in professional roles would benefit the economy by increasing the number of tax-payers and boost the economy by increasing families disposable income.

Oops, I forgot to add, stronger relationship than early childcare type.

I am happy to subsidies two working parents with child care support because they need it. They are both contributing to the economy financially so yes I do not begrudge them. They are both out working so need someone to look after their DC. If one parent is at home, they don't need child care support. they are at home looking after their own children. No need for child care, plus one person isn't contributing anything to the economy financially so it's much more costly to the tax payer. Why would a SAHP with a partner earning over the thresh hold need more money for child care?

Goldenbear you choose to feel belittled by the term 'housewife'. I think it's a perfectly valid description that has stood the test of time. What do you prefer to be called? Homemaker, domestic manager, family administrator.

Is George saying that the gov shouldn't have taken HER CB.

Its not yours as payment for not working?

I agree that part time professional positions are great- I did one myself until the dcs started school. Often it's a lot easier to get that if you stay in work after maternity leave and don't give up- you're negotiating from a position of strength. But what will be even better is when dads are as likely to look for those roles

mirry

maisie yes. I think she would like a wage for been a SAHM.

The problem businesses have at the moment is the distressed economy. Companies are working to lean staffing models. They can't afford to create two positions (jobshare etc) when one person can do the job. If you multiply that, it's costly. Again it's a tough trading environment out there. We have more debt than Spain and look at the state their in. A lot of businesses just can't afford to do it at the moment.

No maisie, child benefit was a universal benefit paid to ALL families to acknowledge the extra cost of having children. It's now been removed from a tiny group of people, while being continued to be paid to families on much higher incomes. You bet, I am pissed off.

Child benefit should be abolished and we should all be taxed less, that would be much fairer and cheap to administer. Obviously, low income families would have other benefits increased to compensate for this.

Some of you sound like a bunch of school bullies in the playground. I never was very keen on them. maisiejo, you sound like the ring leader.

Mirry, you seem to miss the point quite a lot. The whole thread has been discussing SAHP and yet it wasn't on your list. It is marginally better than HW. No I'm not American so wouldn't want to be called any of the things you proposed.

That's a bit dramatic!

Well, its gone now so I guess its a bit of a non issue. This thread isn't going to bring it back.

Even if some believed she should get it back - it wouldn't happen. What might happen is that two people in a relationship might end of losing it but I don't see it coming back for situations like Georges's. Of course no one has forced her to be a SAHM.

We all have to make decisions like this. If the tax rate for example went up to 80 percent my DH and I would leave the country! We wouldn't want to however it is no point me bleating its unfair. We have to think about Plan B

Actually its been removed from a number of people including me and you.....

mirry2.

I am not offended by the term housewife but can see why some people are. it is like calling you a housewife and removing the many responsibilities and roles you have within your daily activity.
I don't think I know anybody who just does "housewifey" activities.
A visit to our home would show that the domestics are fairly shared. I personally do less than others quite often as I have other responsibilities.

As far as the removal of cb is concerned, it is universal affecting both wohp's and sahp's. I get to keep all of mine, so it is hardly discriminating against sahm's. Although, I don't understand how it is justifiable to allow the stinking rich to keep it.

The average salary in the UK is what 26k? If your partner is earning 40k plus and you can afford to not work some people would consider you are doing well.