Sub-letting of council accommodation. Why are so many mothers on welfare who still have active sexual relationships with the father of their child, are not living in the flat or house allocate for the

[SubLetFun]

I know of at least five relationships where this is happening.

The fathers are still, actively in the children?s lives, and there is no apparent relationship problem, but they are living apart.

The mothers live part or most of their lives at the parents? (council) houses and in some cases the fathers do as well, so that they can sublet their council houses. I have not reported them yet. Should I?

[SubLetFun]

Do they have to see their landlord face to face? Not paid directly from account? The landlords could surely get sex more cheaply nowadays, I would have thought that would be expensive sex in lieu of rent.

You are correct that many council tenants are being placed in private developments although rental caps will now make it tricky.

[AudrinaAdare]

I once rented a house which was owned by my landlady's ex partner. She had six months rent upfront and when I claimed housing benefit two officers turned up to say that they were already paying for it.

[SubLetFun]

BeagleEyes, what agenda? I didn't come on here to talk about the housing market, other than to ask about people who were subletting. The conversation developed as conversations have a tendency to do. You seem very angry and cynical.

[AudrinaAdare]

Rent / benefit officers that is. I had to go into temp accommodation because the house was immediately put up for sale.

[Binkybix]

LadyBeagleEyes - whether or not the OP has made up those families, sub-letting does happen in this way, so feels like it is a legitimate discussion regardless of whether OP is being truthful?

[SubLetFun]

I swear that I am telling the truth, although I should not have to justify myself. For what gain?

Thank you binky and Audrina, how awful for you.

I see nothing wrong in what Xenia has said in this thread?

[AmberLeaf]

Most subletting of this kind is done by professional people who have the ability to buy their own home while keeping on a tenancy, not benefit claimants like the OP is lying about suggesting.

Remember that programme about it? I remember one man who was really raking it in....he was a serving police officer.

[ThePathanKhansAmnesiac]

Women having sexual relations. And nails.
The bare faced frontery.

Report OP. Why have you even asked, when you feel so strongly? Or have the nails tipped you into a froth?.

[SubLetFun]

Sexual relations - only to demonstrate that still have a relationship with the father of the children. The fathers haven't left them - it's an agreement that they appear single. Both parties spent most time at their parents' council houses.

I've defended their nails, tvs, holidays - their taste isn't the issue, illegally gained money, is.

Just asking for an opinion. I wanted to talk it through. You seem very hostile Pathan.

[SubLetFun]

Amberleaf, it's offensive for you to suggest that I am lying. How would you like it?

[SubLetFun]

No I am not lying BeagleEyes, you have repeatedly said that I am lying and I am not. I have listened to what they have said repeatedly.

it sounds as though you have an agenda in perpetuating that these people are not scamming the system.

Why would you want people doing that? Who do you think is regulating these people? Do you think officers have their eyes trained on their sublet accomodation and are able to see cash in hand? Who is the cash strapped council going to pay to do that job? I cannot fathom the deception and the lack of dignity in not working when you are offered a job and are fit and healthy. It is so greedy to just lie and take from other taxpayers' money. We are all working hard to finance help for those who are in genuine need. Their children will grow up thinking their grabby mentality is normal and if they are not so fortunate, what then? We are all responsible for not turning a blind eye.

[SubLetFun]

Yes, over a number of years, it is easily five. Why do you think it is fantastical? Do you live in counciil accomodation?

You're obsessing about the 'sexually active' part. They are still having relations with the fathers of their children (good for them), they are not married (their choice), they sublet and use both sets of parents in council houses' accomodation.

Yes, they have nails. Don't most people?! So they like to paint them, they have to do something with the money. They like spending the money on their children. Good for them. Subletting is using taxpayers' money. That money was allocated for accomodation for them. It has saved them from the worse alternative - the gutter. Rather than applying themselves to going for that job, they are taking those who work hard for fools.

[Sparklyboots]

I'm not defending what she's doing, I'm just saying shopping her in won't solve the long term problem of the housing market which (a) enables her to do what she's doing and (b) means others with real wealth are doing it legally on a grander scale which ultimately causes the problem. I just think jumping on the individual people trying to take advantage of a small part of a total system which is utterly stacked against them isn't as useful as TACKLING THE REAL PROBLEM - a housing market without sufficient regulation to allow everyone in our wealthy country to easily meet their basic, social need of housing. Even while there are more than enough houses to go round.

[expatinscotland]

report them. job done.

[KateSMumsnet]

Hello everyone,

Just a note to say we have no reason to believe that the OP is anything other than genuine, and please keep your comments within our talk guidelines.

[LadyBeagleEyes]

Fair enough Kate.

[2cats2many]

I really don't understand the ongoing debate on this thread.

OP- if you know someone who you believe is acting fraudulently then report them. If they aren't committing fraud, then they won't have a problem. If they are breaking the rules, then the council will take whatever action they think necessary.

End. Of.

[ThePathanKhansAmnesiac]

Oh Rightyo.

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[AmberLeaf]

Yes Oh righty.

Yet another goady thread left to stand by MNHQ.

Follows Pathkan and LBE.

[AmberLeaf]

You really must update your talk guidelines to exclude goading now that it's ok to do so MNHQ.