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to be really annoyed about antibiotics?

399 replies

WaterfallsOver · 12/03/2013 10:30

Or rather their misuse. I have parent friends who run to the GP every time little Billy has a cough, demanding antibiotics, so many people see them as a panacea. I'm not medically trained but I know they don't work on viruses and many illnesses need to run their course with no medical intervention.

The news is telling us antibiotics won't work in a few years due to over/misuse. I feel really angry that selfishness and stupidity mean in a few years people may die from infections resistant to antibiotics :( if they were only used for serious illness perhaps we'd have a chance. There was a guy who died from resistant infection on the news :(

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ppeatfruit · 13/03/2013 16:28

saintly a lot of medics are very shortsighted; DH is not autistic but when he's off wheat and dairy he's a different person ( a well one and a calmer one) Grin There's far too much junk food eaten now and though it seems irrelevant it isn't because if people ate good fresh veg. and fruit every day there'd be less need for ABs. A very interesting book is called Wheat Belly by William Davis M.D.

specialsubject · 13/03/2013 16:36

if the Torygraph is to be believed, the EU banned antibiotic use in farming years ago but the Americans still do it on a big scale. Plus the things can be bought over the counter in many populous countries.

as always, the UK is a tiny part of the problem but is going down in the sinking ship with everyone else.

ppeatfruit · 13/03/2013 16:51

saintly Have you heard of the Blood Type Diet? Author Dr. Peter D'Adamo. It may interest you because it explains a lot of allergies and universal health problems.

saintlyjimjams · 13/03/2013 17:09

Yes - weirdly was told about it during my science degree at Oxford! Haven't read it for years though.

I lived in Japan as well where they are obsessed by blood type Grin

pofacedplot · 13/03/2013 17:24

ppear curcumin the actual pharmogically active part of turmeric, so you might want to look at the, the Longvida range is the curcumin developed to be most bioavailable. That is, if you care about science Grin

I have run out and can't afford to get more right now, v expensive.

pofacedplot · 13/03/2013 17:24

ppeatfruit I mean

pofacedplot · 13/03/2013 17:25

pharmacologically active.

ElenorRigby · 13/03/2013 18:10

jimjams
Have you heard of The Gaps Diet

saintlyjimjams · 13/03/2013 18:23

Yep :) at the time when it might have been useful to us ds1 was eating about 5 items of food so it wasn't really possible to try.
Ds1's guts are fine these days (and we don't get any of the food related behaviours we used to see) so he now eats a normal diet although we avoid additives. School managed to sort out his food issues (took them a year) so things like GAPS would be much easier now. I should re-read her book actually.

pofacedplot · 13/03/2013 18:26

we still try to avoid gluten, as long we only have it occasionally we are ok with it.

ppeatfruit · 13/03/2013 19:15

pofaced Interesting about the Longvida range thanks I just take curcumin in Fr. which is fine . I'm not completely cynical about science BUT IMO it's chock full of jargon and types who look down on those who are NOT scientists and although everyone reckons science is going to save the world from global warming I see little evidence of that. Often it looks like the opposite Hmm

pofacedplot · 13/03/2013 20:01

science could most certainly save the world from global warming. But greed gets in the way, and it isn't the scientists who are the greedy ones. Smile

pofacedplot · 13/03/2013 20:02

Science could basically right all the wrongs in the world. I mean scientists, though, the best scientists, not big pharma or governments.

Lueji · 13/03/2013 20:56

If you gargle with garlic, it takes about 5 days to clear up a cold, I believe.

That's really interesting, because colds are supposed to be cleared out by our immune systems in about 3 days. Do you think garlic makes it worse? Wink

mumoftwolilboys · 13/03/2013 21:15

As long as GPs don't go the other way and refuse to prescribe antibiotics - as in my case 3 years ago. I was so ill from what seemed like infections after infections, yet doctors refused to prescribe me any antibiotics, saying all I had was flu.

I ended up in hospital twice, had drips, prescribed loads of painkillers for my 'flu' and 'stress', and still all doctors refused to prescribe me antibiotics saying it's viral.

After 3 weeks of suffering and my condition deteriorating, I went to see yet another doctor and she (thankfully!) prescribed me antibiotics. I noticed an improvement within a couple of days. My health, and strangely, memory have never been the same since. But I believe I'm a rare case as most ppl tell me they are prescribed antibiotics for anything and everything.

Skyebluesapphire · 13/03/2013 23:27

I can only take non-penicillin antibiotics now, which greatly reduces the number of drugs that I can take when needed. I was fine with penicillin until I had been on them for about 8 weeks when I had cellulitis in my leg. The doctors think that because I was on them for so long at a high dose, that I developed an allergic reaction.

I am currently on clarithromycin for cellulitis in my leg which has just flared up again after a couple of dormant years. It takes longer to go away as I cant take penicillin now.

Our doctors will not give out antibiotics for virus'. you only get them if you have a genuine infection that needs them.

TheDeadlyDonkey · 14/03/2013 07:54

A friend of mine has 3 dc. They all have ABs around 5-6 times a year.
At the first sign of a sore throat or sniffle, she whips them off to the gp and sits there until she is given antibiotics.
I've often suggested that she waits a few days before going to the GP, to see if the illness develops or goes away, but no, she knows her dc and knows that whatever dire illness they have will not go away without ABs.
In her family alone, that is up to 30 prescriptions a year for antibiotics. I don't blame her for her ignorance, but at what point should her family GP take a small amount of time to explain how ABs work, and refuse to dish them out like smarties.
My own GP only prescribes ABs when absolutely necessary. The only time I've had them in the last few years were for Lyme disease.
Surely it wouldn't be difficult to identify those GPs that are overprescribing and retrain them in correct AB prescribing.

ppeatfruit · 14/03/2013 08:05

Garlic cleared up my tooth infection in under 3 days. Grin

seeker · 14/03/2013 08:35

Your tooth infection cleared up in 3 days.

You took garlic.

Correlation is not causation.

saintlyjimjams · 14/03/2013 08:40

oh look Louis Pasteur described the antimicrobial effect of garlic (and our friend the onion). Interesting comment about stomach cancers as well.

:heads to sainsbury's again:

olgaga · 14/03/2013 08:46

ppeatfruit a tooth infection won't "clear up". A gum infection will clear up - and the best thing to do for that is gargle with salt water.

More effective, and more sociable!

seeker is right. You could equally say "I had weetabix for breakfast/manuka honey in my tea/chicken soup and my tooth infection cleared up in 3 days".

saintlyjimjams · 14/03/2013 08:47

More here on garlic and H. pylori

Interesting stuff.

How did you administer the garlic ppeat - that first journal article mentioned garlic juice (but think that was in vitro??? - need to re-read abstract) - how did you get the garlic near the infection? (And did it hurt)

saintlyjimjams · 14/03/2013 08:48

Maybe search for garlic and antibiotic on pubmed olgaga - there are some interesting papers it seems

saintlyjimjams · 14/03/2013 08:49

Or just follow the 2 links above as a starting point.

seeker · 14/03/2013 08:51

Wow- that GAPs woman is a really "interesting" character.
I'mpretty rabidy pro breastfeeding, but even I don't suggest that if you don't breastfeed your kids will get OCD!