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To be continuously astonished at the nasty things separated partners do to each other.

74 replies

Smartiepants79 · 11/03/2013 14:26

I have clearly lead a very sheltered life.
No one I count as family or close friends has been through a divorce.
The stuff I read on here amazes and saddens me.
How can people treat someone they once loved in these ways?
Especially when children are caught up in the middle.

OP posts:
WilsonFrickett · 11/03/2013 17:34

I can't find the thread, but there was one recently where an OP's husband had basically belittled and bullied her for years, she eventually got rid and now her teenaged daughter is treating her the same way, controlling what she does and where she goes, making her go to bed because the daughter complains the tv keeps her up, etc etc. Essentially the DD copies her father's behaviour and is being abusive to her DM. It is definitely not always in a child's interest for parents to stick together.

Freddie, you OK?

3littlefrogs · 11/03/2013 17:35

I wish my mum had left my dad. I would be a different person today if she had.

freddiemisagreatshag · 11/03/2013 17:37

Wilson - I'm fine honestly, I'm happy in my life, but I hate to think that someone else is looking at my kids feeling sorry for them because they have divorced parents. And in my experience, most people who separate if there are kids involved, do so because in it's entirety the relationship is toxic. And I can't get my head around that somehow it's the wrong thing to do to leave in that situation.

Smartiepants79 · 11/03/2013 17:39

Children ARE caught in the middle and they DO suffer.
I agree that often the separation is the best option and causes the least amount of heartache but I would expect that those children found it difficult none the less.
No matter how many very good reasons there are for a separation children will always be torn.

OP posts:
freddiemisagreatshag · 11/03/2013 17:41

Smartie - in my opinion that is one of the cruellest, nastiest, most un-empathetic things anyone has ever said to me. And for that reason, to quote the Dragons, I'm out.

Smartiepants79 · 11/03/2013 17:41

Ok before you bite my head off, I do NOT feel sorry for your kids!
You have made the best choices for them I am sure.

OP posts:
Smartiepants79 · 11/03/2013 17:43

This was not supposed to be personally about you.
We are talking in generalities.
I am very sorry if how I see things upsets you.
It was not my intention.

OP posts:
CloudsAndTrees · 11/03/2013 17:45

Yanbu.

When I spilt with my ex, we said some horrible things to each other. I know I said things I deeply regret. Although I can't actually remember whet they are now, I remember the feeling of wanting to hurt my ex because I was hurting so much, and I know I never want to be like that again.

That said, my ex is a good man, and I think I'm a nice person, it was circumstances and life's difficulties that made us the way we were then. But, we also did everything we could to put our children first, and now we parent them 100% together, are good friends as well as co parents, and we both get on well with each other new partners.

Maybe it does make me sound smug, but knowing what we went through and knowing that we turned it around so that our children have grown up knowing that both their parents are working together because we both want the best for them, I do find it hard to understand why other people can't do the same when there isn't abuse involved.

TooYappy · 11/03/2013 17:47

Sorry do not agree children will always be torn.

My were not/are not at all. Mine asked to not see their erm.. F

TooYappy · 11/03/2013 17:50

I can imagine some Dc would be, if they were in a 'normal break up'!

Clouds that sounds fantastic, I said to someone recently:

Obviously I would have liked a successful marriage failing that an unsuccessful with a normal break-up.

OP I am not taking this personally at all but did when I first glanced at it, sorry, I realise you mean people in general when they seperate/divorce, I do not think abusive relationships come into this at all. All normality goes out the window.

Happymum22 · 11/03/2013 17:57

YABU
You are very fortunate to not have, or had someone close, go through a divorce. But also unfortunate as while I would never wish it on anyone, it brings a lot of perspective and life experience to your life. Maybe you are lucky in that you haven't had other misfortune in your life and so find it hard to sympathise and put yourself in others shoes...

Can you imagine if your DH, someone you fell in love with, believed was the one, and then married and had children with suddenly one day left unannounced and you discovered he had been having an affair.
Can you imagine if you grew apart, whatever you did or however hard you worked your DH wouldn't co operate and put the effort in to repair things. He leaves and it feels like he has forgotten all the good times and reasons you fell in love.

Would you honestly (Especially in situation 1) be able to be 100% fine with that person. All your trust, care, values, memories with that person are suddenly to be questioned. They have deceived you or given up on you and made you feel worthless, unwanted and made everything you know become uncertain. Often this leads to financial and childcare issues- it is not easy sharing out money and time with children and the pure stress along with emotional shock makes it next to impossible not for some disagreements to arise.
Along with this you often have a mix of very supportive friends and family and some just very judgmental people who let you down big time and make you out to be some unstable, controlling and undeserving person whose poor children now have a broken hard.

Its bloody hard, and made harder when people aren't understanding and make you feel even worse. So I really hope you can take form this post and not be judgy. It would do a lot of women going through a tough time a lot of favors.

:)

BertieBotts · 11/03/2013 18:01

Yes, there are situations where people use the children to get back at their exes.

However I still stand by my earlier point that it's not a nice, reasonable sort of person who cares for their children's well-being who does this. Therefore, the relationship probably wasn't that great when the parents were together, if one is looking to point-score or gain power over the other, and isn't afraid to use the children to do so, then they probably used the children against their partner when they were together too.

Divorce doesn't turn previously nice people into manipulative arseholes. Manipulative aresholes were just always so.

Happymum22 · 11/03/2013 18:06

Oh and in terms of children.

Each and every case is different. It always affects them but some deal better than others as some situations are smoother.

My ex lost contact with the children as he gave up on them when they wern't reacting well to him leaving. Instead of showing understanding and care and reassuring them he got cross when they wouldn't buy immediately into the plans myself and DH had made. He got abusive and we ended up in court where unsupervised contact was stopped for DCs welfare. This added even more to my anger at him, I knew how important for my DC a relationship with his dad was and could see how he had left them down. I never once let them know of my anger or bad feelings towards him and always encouraged them to keep trying to get on with him, up until the point of abuse.

You might be thinking 'oh you're that type of family and your DH was probably always a bit like that' but no we had a great life, we were both successful and prior to this he was the most fab father. Together we just clicked and were so in love and with the same wishes for life.

No one can truly understand but I had some wonderful friends who never made me feel patronised or that they were smug they weren't divorced. They always stuck by me and showed compassion and support for my situation.

BoneyBackJefferson · 11/03/2013 18:18

Sockreturningpixie

"Obviously this is in my experance so based on people I know not on anything else,

Ime men and women tend to part company for very different reasons,men tend to do so because they cannot cope with family life or their heads have been turned"

Just there is another side to this (not having a go at sock). I left my wife because she was/is abusive, it does happen.

Being abusive is not just a male thing.

IneedAsockamnesty · 11/03/2013 18:30

Of course its not however I am not personally involved with any in that situation because I work in services aimed at women who have experanced abuse.

It is far more common for women to experience abuse and my comments were general based solely on my own experance.

Next time I will add a disclaimer highlighting that of course its not just women.

How did you find your ex when you parted company? Did she try to use abusive tactics against you when she collected or returned the children when she had contact? Did you find she also used the legal system to further abuse you or threaten it?

Or were you lucky enough that she didnt?

I really did not mean to offend I thought I was clear enough that it was just Ime.

mumandboys123 · 11/03/2013 18:34

you have no idea until it happens to you. I was left pregnant with our third child by my husband (now ex) for another woman he'd been having an affair with for years. You can't even begin to understand what I went through - shame because I had no idea, shame because I felt it was all my fault, fear because I had no idea how I was going to keep a roof over my head, let alone over me and three children....I had to put up with being lied to constantly (to the point where I thought I was going mad), the complete withdrawl of financial support (I received a letter from the mortgage company on the day I gave birth threatening repossession), was physically attacked by my ex, had a car door slammed into my pregnant stomach...all the while she was sitting in my seat at the 'family business', taking a salary from it whilst she worked full-time elsewhere, driving around in a company car, taking holidays (including one holiday where they went to the same place we got married on the other side of the world).... people I had known for years and counted as good friends crossed the street when they saw me coming, no one phoned to see if I was OK and I later found out that he had told people that I had raped him to get pregnant. They used to drive past my house constantly, and one day followed me into a multi-storey car park where I found them with the key in the door (ex still had one) - I suppose they were going to take it off me as it was in my ex's name. There is more to it but it's very depressing!

I was lucky to find support online and that support stopped me from finding my nasty side and fighting fire with fire. I recognised that the children were all he cared about - so much so that I could have ruined his life by blocking contact and playing games. I never have. He sees the children when it suits him. He never pays maintenance and at one point, he disappeared from their lives for over 15 months. I kept my dignity and self-respect and some years later, am so grateful for that support and the way I handled it all. With the 'wrong' people in my life at that time, I am sure that things would have been very difficult. Don't get me wrong, I'm no saint and I have my moments but overall, things could have been worse for the children and I have done my best to protect them from the worst of it.

I had no idea my ex was capable of such disgusting, angry, abusive, controlling behaviour. He's still at it now. I'm a new person, far more inner strength, financially secure, doing great with life generally. He's not happy. He knows what he had and that he threw it away and that he'll never have that again. Not because he wont' find love again, but because he knows that he will never again have a relationship based on honesty and mutual respect as he'll never tell anyone the truth of what he did to me. We have gone through several girlfriends - all who clearly didn't have a clue. One even turned up on my door step once to apologise to me when the relationship had ended - for thinking awful things of me which, with the benefit of hindsight, she realised had been totally unfair. I am glad she got out.

BoneyBackJefferson · 12/03/2013 10:37

sock

Yes my ex tried abusive tactics on me when she left, the least of which was telling tales (I was the pyscho abusive ex etc.) I would love to say that it all ended when I moved but a visit from the police warning me about stalking her and a solicitors letter warning her about harrassment finally saw the end of it

IneedAsockamnesty · 12/03/2013 10:45

That's good news that you were able to stop it with help. Does she still see the children or has she dropped them as well?

BoneyBackJefferson · 12/03/2013 12:39

the only blessing is that we had no children.

Punkatheart · 12/03/2013 12:55

I would like to send hugs, support and understanding to the women and men here who have clearly been through hell. My God what strong buggers you all are and great parents to boot.

I am seeing my ex tomorrow night to try and discuss some practical things he can do to help his depressed daughter - perhaps like ringing up once a week to check how she is. I have to tell a father to care - it is astonishing.

Today I have been so nervous and now I have eaten a vindaloo. So I hope, at a very serious moment in conversation, I don't break wind noisily.

Something light-hearted and silly to help a little - the whole thing of separation does feel so heavy. Also, if anyone else (including ex) tells me to 'Move on and be happy,' I may rend their skull asunder with a frying pan. People move on at different rates, depending on the depth of feeling. Me - I'm a ridiculously sensitive soul and I hurt for a very long time. I am just hoping that my poor little girl will be tougher in time.

Sorry too that any of you have to go through this.......

LastInTheQueue · 12/03/2013 13:15

I actually understand why the OP would ask what she's asked. As a child of divorced parents, where they did awful things to each other post-break up and literally used me and my siblings as pawns, I completely understand.. Heck, I've experienced it first hand through my parents and don't understand it myself.

Then I remember what they were like within the marriage and you know what - what happened post-breakup was just the pre-breakup magnified and made public. In my parents case they just shouldn't have been together. My dad has been with the woman he had an affair with at the time - so that's 25 years, compared to my parents marriage of 14 years. My mother had a series of short term relationships and has now been with my stepdad for almost 20 years, though I know she's had several affairs in that time (she has "issues").

And how have I and my siblings fared out of it all? Were we "damaged" by the breakup and all the nasty behavi

LastInTheQueue · 12/03/2013 13:19

Argh! Pressed submit toon soon!

So, were we damaged by their behaviour post breakup? Were things better after? Yes and no. The damage was already there. However, one thing we ALL learnt was not to repeat our parents' mistakes for the most part.

Mother2many · 12/03/2013 15:27

I agree. My ex can be down right MEAN... I have even told him that... "why do you have to be soo mean?" Insulting and calling me down... obviously he forgot he once love me too!!!! The same words yelled at me by someone else a few years ago would of been not tolerated by the same man, who speaks it now!

I don't know why some people can be so cruel. It doesn't nothing productive.

Being able to remember the good, kindly accept the bad without dragging it into everything, and putting the children first really shouldn't be that hard to do.

I can understand the pain and hurt, but there is no logical reason to attack the person you once love and protected.

NicknameTaken · 12/03/2013 15:53

smartie, I don't think you are being smug, and I also marvel about how things changed - from happy times at the start to the way things are now.

I think I've acted with integrity towards my ex - even after I left him, I tried to be helpful with things related to work, study, finance, child contact. It doesn't seem to make any difference. I have been cast as the wicked witch in his internal psychodrama and what I do or how I act has very little to do with how he perceives me.

That was already going on in our marriage before our left. I felt weirdly invisible even when he was screaming in my face, because I was just a blank wall on which he was projecting the stuff going on inside his own head.

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