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To be thoroughly pissed off about extra additions to ski holiday and to get my clip board out?

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Beachcomber · 20/02/2013 09:01

Will try to keep this short. We are lucky enough to be going skiing for 6 days next week. We live in France and will drive to resort, we have our own gear so no ski hire. We are very very lucky in that an acquaintance gives us mates rates on an apartment (half the normal price). All this means that we can afford to go skiing. We still save up for this though in order to pay for our lift passes and lessons for the children - it is a special treat.

DH has invited a friend and his girlfriend to join us for 3 out of the 6 days (he checked with me first and I was perfectly happy with the idea as it is fun to do this sort of thing with other people). They were pleased to come along. However it now turns out that they will be bringing two children with them (the girlfriend's from a previous relationship), when we invited them, the understanding was that the children were with their father that week.

I am really not keen on this happening at all. It means the apartment will be full to bursting (someone will be sleeping on pull out sofa in living room, the only small bedroom will need to have 4 people in it and two people will have to sleep in bunks in the hall). French ski apartments are tiny and there is never enough space to store/dry ski things, and there will be only one combined shower-room with the toilet in it for 8 people. We are self-catering so going to have to organise meals for 4 adults and 4 children around a table that only sits 6 at a squeeze.

Also the two children who now appear to be coming are of the noisy, jump on sofas, talk back to their mum (and others) type. Last time we spent time with them she got pretty frazzled. I feel sorry for them all, she is exhausted, she works full time and a single mum with young children who are obviously finding the upheaval of their parents divorce really hard. That doesn't mean I want to spend 3 days squeezed into a small apartment/going skiing with them though. Even worse, the mum is a beginner skier so I'm not too sure who is going to be in charge of her kids on the slopes as they ski better than she does and I can't see them being content to keep their mum happy on green runs.

AIBU to want to set some ground rules with everybody before we go? Such as each family is responsible for their kids and only their own and can we please not have the blokes off doing the black runs whilst the mums take kids to the toilet/sort lunch for them/sort out another change of dry gloves/drop them off and pick them up from lessons, etc? I also want us to have some idea of what we are going to eat in the evening and to have discussed who is sleeping where before we arrive. Really, I would prefer this not to be happening like this but we are just going to have to get on with it now.

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Beachcomber · 20/02/2013 16:09

They are indeed driving zoobaby. Sitting on toilet to cook dinner sounds familiar - these places are always not only tiny but generally really badly laid out too...

The one we are going to has a low sloping ceiling in the kitchen right where the hob is - you have to be small and lean your head to one side to be able to cook Grin

Oh bollocks, evenings are going to be a nightmare aren't they? The kids are all quite young - we have 2 daughters who are 9 and 6. The other two children are boys of 5 and 8. I just had to break the news to mine that they are coming and my 9 year old isn't very happy as she found them loud and pushy when they met them. Oh, to be able to go back in time and have this not be happening.....

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Sugarice · 20/02/2013 16:56

Oh no your dd isn't happy Sad, hope it won't spoil her holiday too much.

Whocansay · 20/02/2013 17:22

I would imagine the friend who is letting the apartment for mates rates will not do so again if he finds out about this arrangement. What will you do if they trash it? It was wrong of you to invite anyone in the first place IMHO.

For abuse of ski chalets, see EspressoMonkey's thread.

Beachcomber · 20/02/2013 17:42

Whocansay - the apartment isn't an issue. We are renting it for up to 8 people - we just originality chose to go as 4 and then added two to our party.

The mates rates is still a fair amount of money and it is what the owners rent the apartment out to friends for, regardless of how many people actually go (as long as it isn't more than 8). They know the friend who is coming, they know that there will be 8 in the apartment as we have told them - they don't mind at all. They don't just rent the place out to close friends - if we had friends who wanted to go as an 8 they could and the (nice) owners would charge them what they are charging us. They actually very rarely rent the apartment out for its full price to perfect strangers as they are nice enough to rent it cheaply to friends and acquaintances.

If the additional children don't treat the place right, DH and I will come down on them like a ton of bricks.

Sugarice, my DD just have to get on with it. I'm not against our kids having to make room for and share with other children. I just don't want those other children to be difficult or annoying.

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Wishihadabs · 20/02/2013 18:33

I completely feel your pain. FWIW I would get the men to take the 8&9 y olds with them. My ds 8 was doing blacks and powder this year, would have been bored to tears on blue runs. Just a tip about catering- don't try to cook.

Those apartments are impossible. We ate well at lunchtime then had yummy cheese, Wine and bread in the evening. We also have bought frozen meals with us and got pizza or a rotisserie chicken on other nights. We always eat out at least once but your budget may not stretch to that.

Beachcomber · 20/02/2013 19:30

Wishihadabs, that is good advice about cooking. Don't know that my slightly timid 9 yo would do blacks but she has already done reds in good snow conditions with her dad. I don't like to take her down reds myself as I'm not a great skier and would struggle if I needed to get her out of trouble on a red (last week, DH had to ski her down an icy bit of red that I would find hard myself, let alone skiing a child down).

I guess the men could take the older children off. I'm not totally crazy about that idea as I know I will end up being in charge of beginner mate, her 5yo and my 6yo if that happens. Neither the 6yo nor the 5yo can manage drag lifts by themselves (unless a very short gentle nursery slope one) and I can't see my beginner friend taking either of them up a lift.

I think we might slow cooker it one night, do bits and bobs after big lunch another day and take out if possible on the final night. We have budgeted to eat out one night (will take sandwiches on the slopes that day to balance). Don't want to force other people into our slightly scrimping lunch arrangement though!

We'll see. Will try not to plan too ahead and accept that we may spend a bit of extra cash in order to make things easier all round.

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Wishihadabs · 20/02/2013 20:27

That does sound limiting. I just thought it would be easier not to have bored whinging older dcs if you did have to have the little ones with you. I think the others should certainly chip in, maybe then you can all enjoy a few more meals out.

Another thing DH and I have done is left the dcs in ski school over lunchtime. Then they get a hot lunch and are ready for more skiing in the afternoon. While you and DH have a cheapskate sandwich and a full on ski.

Wishihadabs · 20/02/2013 20:31

Meant to say hope you have a great time.

ZenNudist · 20/02/2013 20:36

Either decide you want them to come and stop feeling pissed off or tell them quite reasonably to do one.

Who wants to be crammed 2 families to a to tiny apartment? It's a ski holiday. You will spend all that money on passes booze and petrol and food then not get to enjoy family time.

Bugger that.

Abra1d · 20/02/2013 20:38

I think you and your children need to be out early in the morning so you don't get stuck doing all the childcare. Book the children some lessons (even if they're brilliant it doesn't do any harm) and take them to them first thing after breakfast. You can make it seem like a bit of a rush (which it always is). Then hit the slopes by yourself, if necessary.

Whocansay · 20/02/2013 20:38

Apologies OP. I got the impression you were doing this behind the back of the mate who was letting you rent the apartment.

I still would uninvite them though, as it sounds as if its going to be stressful all round. If you won't do this, I suggest you give them the details for an instructor on arrival and leave them to it while you do your own thing.

theoriginalandbestrookie · 20/02/2013 20:40

If you do get left with the beginner mate absolutely do not take responsibility for her or for the children.
Just say " I am off to do this red run, see you later." Don't let British guilt spoil your holiday.

Suggest to her in advance that they may want to book lessons in advance as they are very popular email her a link to the website. That makes it clear that a) you think they need lessons and b) you aren't going to provide that service for free.

GrendelsMum · 20/02/2013 20:41

I don't see why you keep thinking you're responsible for this other lady's DCs. You aren't. End of story.

She can't take a child up a drag lift? Then her partner needs to look after them.

You have children of your own to look after.

If you want to, you could always explicitly say that 1 afternoon, say, you will look after her children on the slopes so she can have time to practice alone.

PepeLePew · 20/02/2013 20:42

Email:

Dear xx

Thinking about food while you are with us. The kitchen is tiny and preparing meals isn't easy so we need to plan ahead?

I will bring food and cook on the first night. If you cook for us all on the second night, we could eat out on the final night.

We will stop at a supermarket on the way and pick up milk, cereal, jam, butter, coffee etc for breakfast. We plan on taking a packed lunch each day so I will be buying ham and cheese for us. Would you prefer to provide your own breakfast and lunch food or would you like me to get it and we will share the cost?

Yours

Xxx

Beachcomber · 20/02/2013 20:57

Whocansay no need to apologise. Wouldn't not let owner know what was going on with their apartment though!

I think uninviting is not on really now that the kids know they are going skiing.

Have been speaking to DH and he is going to phone mate and tell all. He is going to explain that we weren't really thinking the kids were involved but that we don't want to disappoint them now, and that they really need to have a think about managing 'their' kids on the slopes/check out lessons and we all need to work out easy food solutions and do any necessary shopping.

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theoriginalandbestrookie · 20/02/2013 21:02

Glad you and your DH are on the same wave length, but bearing in mind he is the one who didn't seem to think the kids were an issue I would ask him to get the GFs email address that way you can email her about the food and the lessons.

Suspect that your DH does see this as a cracking way to spend time skiing with his mate and hasn't considered the consequences to you. Good that he is doing so now, but if it were me I'd also like to have made sure that I pointed it out beforehand.

Beachcomber · 20/02/2013 21:05

Thanks again for suggestions - am taking it all on board. Am going to get DH to ask his mate how they have considered managing the 5yo in particular who will need to ride on an adult's leg to get up a drag/need help on and off a chairlift/etc.

It Will Be Fine. We Are Going To Have A Great Time.

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Sugarice · 20/02/2013 21:13

You'll have a fab time regardless, you lucky spuds!!

Sugarice · 20/02/2013 21:19

Beachcomber I hope you didn't take my post at .16.59 to be sarcastic, it wasn't intended that way.

I meant that your dd was quite entitled to be pissed off that a child she wasn't keen on joining her on her holiday, no snottiness intended at all.

Beachcomber · 20/02/2013 21:28

No worries, Sugarice - didn't take it that way at all!

My eldest is quite a quiet child and doesn't do well with rough and tumble as she has health issues that mean she is very slight and underweight. She doesn't like being pushed around and tends to become withdrawn around more boisterous children even if they are younger.

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beachyhead · 20/02/2013 21:33

I'm not sure I wouldn't bite the bullet and pay for ski lessons for her kids...

Beachcomber · 20/02/2013 21:39

Beachyhead, ski lessons are expensive. I save for my own kid's ones and also use Xmas money they get from their grandpa to pay for them. Don't think I'm willing to whip my credit card out and spend a hundred ? for someone else's kids!

I doubt our friend would accept that from us anyway.

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Wishihadabs · 21/02/2013 05:44

Beachcomber, you are not seriously suggesting you would babysit her dcs while yours are in ski school are you ? There is no way I would do that ! I was assuming either all the dcs had lessons or none.

Wishihadabs · 21/02/2013 06:15

Beachcomber you sound really nice (too nice ?). If the 5 yo can't manage a drag/chair lift and his mother can't help him then her dp needs to be with him or they pay for lessons-simples.

I was thinking that the French children would be ok skiing blues relatively unaided, so a bit dull but doable. No way do you want to be picking up someone else's chad on the nursery slopes on your skiing holiday.

MercedesKing · 21/02/2013 06:17

In fact you can see the stuff from another aspect, a journey with kids accompanied can have much pleasure, you can try to figure it out to make your journey not being haunted by the crowed problem. You would have much fun to communicate with them, try to think positively! Smile