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AIBU?

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to threaten to tell her friends and her school?

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Mimishimi · 20/02/2013 01:38

We've had three incidents of petty theft with our twelve year old daughter recently - two suspected and one confirmed. She has only been openly caught in one - the first. My DH found her with money that she admitted, after lying about at first, that she took from her grandmother (!!!). It was the equivalent of ten pounds. She has come back to Australia to attend a selective high school here and some of her school friends are those from her selective primary class that she attended for 1.5 years.

Just over a week ago, I had twenty dollars go missing from my wallet. She had seen me withdraw sixty the day before. That morning she had woken up earlier than me and asked for lunch money, which I refused because she had time to make lunch. When I fully woke up, I asked her by text what she had taken for lunch and she said a sandwich - however, there was no evidence of her having made a sandwich left on the bench and she always leaves evidence. So I checked my wallet and discovered the twenty missing.I went over all my spending from the previous day to account for everything and was fairly certain that she either took it or that it fell out of my wallet, it was not spent. She denied taking it when I texted her and when she came home from school. Since it had been gusty the night before, there was a slight chance that it had blown out of my wallet (never had the problem before) so we decided to give her the benefit of the doubt after questioning her most of that day.

This morning was almost the same situation. She woke up at 6:15, I woke up at seven. When I woke up, she complained that there was no bread to make a sandwich so she had to make a salad. I went to the freezer and pulled out a loaf of bread (she knows to look there if there is none in the fridge). All there was on the bench were a container of lettuce leaves and no evidence of cut tomatoes, carrots etc. Two minutes later, at 7:05, she said "Ok, I'm going to go to school now" which is at least ten to fifteen minutes earlier than she usually does. I told her to wait and I went and checked my wallet. It was cleared out and eight dollars was missing. I still had the receipt from Monday evening for the twenty I gave the cashier in cash for $12.00 worth of groceries and I am certain it was in there still last night as I didn't buy anything with cash yesterday (it's Wednesday morning here). I asked her and again she denied taking it (in a very flat monotone 'bored' sort of voice which is the tone of voice with which she denied it last time). I told her to go but in retrospect, I probably should have done a bag and pocket search immediately. She has not answered my texts and has refused to take phonecalls from either myself or my husband all morning.This time I don't have much doubt that she took it and she probably did the last time also. There has been no hint of contrition from her, not even the first time, but more of a snarliness that she has been caught out. She genuinely seems to think she is entitled to the money.

I have already confiscated her Mac and she will have no access to the iPad, both of which she needs to complete a school project that she's been doing with her friend (who has been coming over in the afternoons) and which is due tomorrow (a video assignment which she's been recording with the iPad so the files are on there and she wants to edit it on the Mac tonight). I texted her that she will not be getting them back until she confesses and apologises. I also texted that if she refuses to do so by the end of the day, I will be calling the school and telling them that we are experiencing some petty theft from her. I really am genuinely concerned that if she can do it to her own grandmother, let alone us, she might do it to classmates. I then texted that if a confession and apology is not forthcoming by the end of the week, I will be emailing all the friends whose email addresses I have and telling them the same.

So this comes to my AIBU question. My DH is concerned that the last two threats might be going overboard and might permanently ruin her reputation for what is apparently a common problem with pre-teens and teenagers ( I can genuinely say that I never stole money off my parents although I did raid the lolly jar once and tried to lie about it - DH says he never stole money but his brother did). His suggestion was that I go to the school and threaten to pull her out of school for three days if she does not confess but I don't see how that would be effective? There is no shame involved in that for her and I could potentially get her into trouble for not sending her to school without an adequate explanation. Do you think the threats to tell the school and her friends are unreasonable?

More importantly, what on earth do I do about the stealing and the denial of it? She was a very truthful little girl, could be relied upon for it, and it's absolutely breaking my heart.. She does get pocket money and lunch money once a week although I've been a bit lax about it the past couple of weeks because we've only just come back from Hong Kong (where she attended school for six months to try it out).

OP posts:
Crinkle77 · 20/02/2013 11:57

Firstly you need to hide your purse. Secondly could you suggest that if she wants money to buy things that she can do jobs round the house in return for payment?

FergusSingsTheBlues · 20/02/2013 12:00

Sit down and talk to her.
She has had a hell of a lot of isruption.
She is probably feeling pretty insecure snd just needs to fit in. I woukdnt be too bothered about the odd pie and chips if irs what the orher kids are doing. How much damage can it o if you eat sensibly at home? Besides..frozen bread? Id rather be taking lunch money if that was all that was on offer. Yuk.

EverybodysSootyEyed · 20/02/2013 12:00

As an aside, I left a school for a year at the same age. Web I came back my old friends didn't want to know. I had to build a whole new friendship group and it was really hard. I never really fitted in after that. It was as if something really major had happened whilst I was away an I would never be part of it.

Please dot rule out that she may be having difficulty fitting in. 12 is a hard age, especially when she has had that break. And my Mumbthought the school bully was lovely until she showed her true colours one day and my mum witnessed it. As a paret it can actually be quite hard to see the dynamics.

I think you need to sit down and have an adult conversation with her - and I really don't think you should be jeopardising her homework.

Astelia · 20/02/2013 12:03

Good point Viva. I can't imagine anyone lying in bed while their DCs are getting ready for school.

I like to check no one has fallen back to sleep plus I am often needed for hunting stray bits of PE kit, installing a new printer cartridge or solving the debt crisis. Why would I lie in bed and miss all the fun Grin.

seeker · 20/02/2013 12:15

Such a sad OP. of course she shouldn't steal.

But her mother shouldn't forget to give her any money either. And her mother oughtn't, unless she's ill or working night shifts or something, to be in bed and asleep while her 12 year old gets herself ready to go to a new school. And a 12 year old should have a say in what they have for lunch.

Sit down and talk about it. And whatever you do, don't email all her friends. That's just awful.

kirstys23 · 20/02/2013 12:29

Of course you shouldn't email all her friends and tell them she stole. She is the new girl and already will be a target for bullies, and you think emailing them with this bit of information is going to lead to anything other than taunts and nastiness from them?

I think you'll find that if you sit and have a conversation with her and remove the threat of 'outing' her to her friends, you'll find she will open up to you and give you the reason for the stealing.

I also agree with what others have said about the texting. Having a text argument with your daughter just before she starts school for the day is not conducive to a productive working day.

MrsPennyapple · 20/02/2013 12:52

I don't think you can really sabotage her school project as punishment. You're planning to make sure that her and her friend get into trouble for something that they have worked hard on, that younwon't allow them to finish? Just out of interest, what would you do if she refused to do homework? Do you normally make sure she does her homework? If so, she's going to see this (rightly) as a massive contradiction. It also comes across as a little bit spiteful as well. Telling her friends is also out of order, unless of course she has been stealing from them too. So far it is a family matter, and should remain so, IMHO.

Just to add, my mother rarely got out of bed before we left for school. She would shriek orders from her bed, mostly revolving around me taking her a cup of tea. I took it to mean she didn't want the bother of helping us get sorted out for school, which actually, is a lot like how your comment about making sandwiches comes across. I felt like my mother thought of me as an irritation, and would rather not get out of bed until I'd gone. I wonder how your daughter feels?

MrsPennyapple · 20/02/2013 12:53

I'v ejust re-read and seen that her performance at school is "largely self-driven" - so do you not take much interest there either?

steppemum · 20/02/2013 13:35

OP

you have been given a hammering on here, and if I were you I would now be feeling pretty low.

Just wanted to say that if you come back on, people have lots of good ideas about how to move forward and make changes, and suggestions about communicating with teens etc.

fromparistoberlin · 20/02/2013 13:40

yes steppe

people are a tad harsh on AIBU OP!

come back Thanks

deleted203 · 20/02/2013 13:43

It's the middle of the night in Oz, folks. OP may well return once she's up.

MechanicalTheatre · 20/02/2013 13:45

There was a post on here a week or so ago about a woman whose mum had caught her stealing when she was 7 and then told her best friend. The best friend then no longer played with her.

This woman STILL remembered this as an adult and worried about it.

Please do not turn your daughter into that woman.

Whoknowswhocares · 20/02/2013 13:57

I would hazard a guess that her friends have lunch at school and she is desperate to fit in and will risk stealing in order to do so. It seems that she is using the money for lunches and as she has been away from the group for a while, and will be very keen to go along with what they are doing. Why did you stop giving her money?

Given her globe trotting life recently, I would be inclined to cut her a bit of slack. The absolute last thing you should do is involve her friends. Poor girl has had enough to deal with chopping and changing countries/schools all over the place without you doing that to her! Punish her for the stealing at home privately by all means, but don't be cruel and sabotage her friendships. I understand you want her to eat healthily, but feel it more important right now to let her settle back into school life. If that means lunches at school, then so be it.

steppemum · 20/02/2013 14:10

Oh yes Paris - forgot about the time difference!

here OP Brew good morning!

We are not all as angry as we sound!

maddening · 20/02/2013 14:52

Can you set a video trap? Get past the denial and have a good in depth talk about the stealing, her perceived reasons for stealing, consequences etc and how to move forward together.

kirstys23 · 20/02/2013 15:04

The OP seems pretty sure that the daughter has stolen so not sure why a 'video trap' is necessary. Employing undercover surveillance on a young girl is hardly likely to get her to trust and open up is it?

RedwingOnFire · 20/02/2013 15:12

In what strange world does a parent attempt to sabotage their child's education as a punishment?!?

maddening · 20/02/2013 15:13

Maybe not but it sounds like there is a lot of arguments about whether she has stolen or not - and if you can get past the "did you steal" "no I didn't" argument then they might be able to move forward.

It's only an idea.....

kirstys23 · 20/02/2013 15:25

Since OP was happy enough to say she was going to email DD's friends and tell them that she was a thief, she must be pretty certain that she has stolen. A video trap is the last thing the girl needs.

Faireenuff · 20/02/2013 15:55

Gosh your daughter is completely wrong to steal. It's a big issue you will have to deal with and you have every right to be angry and upset, but, what on earth is to be gained in sabotaging her studies. Seriously, your post comes across as seeking revenge, threatening her studies, her friends? I'm sure you didn't mean to and you're probably in shock and upset, but, it's worth pointing out that most adults who read this, teach at your dds school or parent her friends will judge you harshly for humiliating your own daughter. I'm not sure I could stay in bed of a morning and not see my child off to school either, could you start making breakfast together a routine to give her a chance to talk about her day or general chat? I hope you've cooled down a little and can maybe take some advice from here or the teens board.

freeandhappy · 20/02/2013 16:59

I would not like you for a mum. You sound very cruel and punitive. You should be on her side. Are you a policewoman by any chance 'on the spot bag and pocket search'. Fun mornings at your houseSad

Pancakeflipper · 20/02/2013 17:12

Bit harsh FreeandHappy.

I think OP, you need to calm down, talk it through when both calmer. Keep money away from the children for now.

And can she not buy lunch twice a week?

Softlysoftly · 20/02/2013 18:25

Oh just came back to check on this and see the op didn't come back.

I truly truly hope she had a rethink :(

mrsbunnylove · 20/02/2013 18:28

don't tell anyone - what would you gain? the satisfaction of shaming your daughter?

ask her why she has to take money. explain that you need to know how much money you have at any given time - it causes problems if money isn't there when you thought it was. give her a reasonable allowance so she can buy lunches if she wants to, or she could save her money by taking sandwiches and spend the money on something else. and keep your money in a safe place - if you leave it lying around you are just tempting her to do wrong.

Ruprekt · 20/02/2013 18:37

Do come back OP.