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To hate the police?

268 replies

DrHolmes · 07/02/2013 17:32

BF was pulled over by an unmarked police car today. He got out of his van and was told he was not wearing his seatbelt and they issued him with a £60 ticket. I came home from work and he told me the story and told me he was wearing it. He has a beeper that goes off every few seconds if he doesnt have it on and no one would drive about listening to that. I know he is telling the truth. If we appeal it then we put our case forward and then goes to court but if the fiscal find the police in favour we will have a higher fine. But i do not want him to pay the fine because that is letting them away with this. Corrupt filth. Not sure what to do :/

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NannyPlumIsMyMum · 07/02/2013 22:17

Yabvu. Can't be arsed to say any more than that because you are clearly very ignorant .

NannyPlumIsMyMum · 07/02/2013 22:18

Hello Vic Smile

ComposHat · 07/02/2013 22:19

Vicar

My point wasn't the pay and I feel that public sector pay cuts are to be vigorously resisted.

The idea I took exception to is that 'we get the police we deserve.' I think it is complacant nonsense and smacks of victim blaming. The families at Hillesborough 'deserved' to have their dead relatives names bismirched for the best part of 20 years, that Stephen Lawrence's family 'deserved' to have his investigation sat upon and one of his killers protected by an officer in the pay of the killer's father, that Ian Tomlinson 'deserved' to be clubbed to death by a violent thug in a uniform. It sounds like an excuse for the Police to avoid putting their own houses in order and to blame the people that their officers failed to protect.

I realise that this isn't the fault of the majority of hard working rank and file officers and I feel sorry that you've felt got at on this thread. I feel someone who obviosuly has the best interest of the public at heart feels that she is being forced out.

10storeylovesong · 07/02/2013 22:24

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ThatVikRinA22 · 07/02/2013 22:26

i said compo that actually on reflection i didnt think that - i think the government get the police they deserve - the public dont have much say do they really....and im still a member of the public. Should i need assistance from the police i would expect it.

i always feel got at on these threads because i want to scream from the rooftops that i am not corrupt, i am hardworking, honest, and i really really really care about people and what happens to them.

but its not enough for some and i think the only way to deal with attitudes towards us is probably to develop a really hard nose - which ill never do.
it actually hurts. i do take it personally because i know what i do for people and its never going to be good enough for some.

its not just on here - its in real life.

FiercePanda · 07/02/2013 22:26

YABVU. Have a Biscuit.

Seenenoughtoknow · 07/02/2013 22:31

Vicar - no, you're wrong - my friend was told she didn't have to attend...her evidence was given via a statement of some kind. The case did happen, and her exbf got off pretty much scott-free. Why is it so hard for you to believe she was treated poorly? I'm not accusing YOU of anything.

ThatVikRinA22 · 07/02/2013 22:32

oh and to nannyplum and thanks 10storey.

im used to these attitudes now - doesnt make it any easier to live with but i am getting used to it - i need to learn to stop argueing over it though!

landofsoapandglory · 07/02/2013 22:33

I have had terrible experiences of the police in recent years. My family and I were victims of anti social behaviour for approx 4 years, we were told to close our curtains and ignore it. Then it would be "next time we'll do X, Y,& Z" but next time never came. The police were shit, they let us down terribly.

I know not all police are bad, but it is wrong to pretend all police are good!

ThatVikRinA22 · 07/02/2013 22:34

she would have given video evidence then?

but normally you may still need to attend to give further clarification - it can be done via video link or behind a screen so as not to have to face your attacker.

you say the case went to court - so why is that so hard for you to understand then that the court let him off - not the police??

the police shovel up the evidence and send it to court - the police are not judge and jury.

its this type of misinformation that just gets perpetuated time and time again.

NannyPlumIsMyMum · 07/02/2013 22:35

My DH has literally cooked for in the station and supplied nappies to single mothers who have walked into the station with not a penny.

He has provided endless support to victims of domestic abuse - helping them to pack up their lifes belongings after spending hours convincing them to go to a refuge.

He has been petrol bombed in his station whilst working during the riots trying to keep others safe.

He has tirelessly run after paedophiles, robbers and gangsters bloody jumping over fences and injuring himself in the process to make sure they are arrested.

Most weekends he comes home late from night shifts after investigating a rape / stabbing / murder and just lately has twice managed to talk somebody's sons from jumping off high buildings.

I suppose he deserves to be hatedSad.

ThatVikRinA22 · 07/02/2013 22:36

ah fuck it.

im hiding the thread now. its just not worth it! im off work with anxiety and depression - i dont need it here!

evilkitten · 07/02/2013 22:36

I am wonderfully middle class, and should be thoroughly supportive of the police. However, every interaction with them that I have had has left me feeling slightly jaded.

I have three points on my licence for using a mobile phone while driving. Apparently the officer saw a light shining against my face, and this was incontrovertible proof I was guilty. The fact that I don't own a mobile phone - or have one in my possession - wasn't seen as a defence to this. Given a choice between believing a 'mop' or a police officer, a magistrate is likely to favour the police, so it didn't seem worth taking it to court. I'm still fucked off about it.

The other incident was when I woke up at about 3am to find my front garden full of police officers. I opened the window and asked what the hell they were doing standing amongst my roses, and they told me that I'd phoned the police. I told them I hadn't, and asked them to leave. The front door was kicked in, and six or so coppers let themselves in. I'm still not quite sure what happened after that, but there were a number of words exchanged between me and a police officer holding a torch in my face. Eventually they left, leaving me with a broken door. I was told to raise it with their inspector the following morning. On ringing, they denied having any police officers anywhere near my house, making any sort of entry, or of breaking the door. Neither was my solicitor capable of making any headway, and I ended up shelling out £300 for a replacement door.

For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not a criminal, and have no record beyond the 3 points detailed above. I have no idea what the police stood to gain from either of the incidents above, but I know they happened.

There have been a number of people posting on the thread identifying themselves as police officers, and saying that the job is hard, and we should accept all of this. I'm sure the job is hard, but it's one that you're trained for, and that pays well. Police officers have a lot of powers, and I think the public are entitled to expect that that power is used wisely, and never abused.

The argument that the police are overstretched and busy would hold more weight if they didn't spend so much time pissing about with rude text messages between teenagers, and attending diversity courses. Tell me - if so much crime happens on Fri/Sat nights, why is the car park of my local police station empty then? It looks like the majority of police officers keep office hours.

As for the comment that 'the public get the police they deserve', I'd refer you to Robert Peel's principles of modern policing. Remember that the police are the public, and the public are the police, with the police only being paid to carry out the responsibilities of all the public. In fact, read all of the principles, and then ask yourself whether your police force is acting in line with them. My suspicion is that it is not.

evilkitten.

NannyPlumIsMyMum · 07/02/2013 22:38

Land of - thats nothing to do with the police - that's down to the Crown Prosecution Service .

ComposHat · 07/02/2013 22:39

vicar I have some idea of the way you feel, I used to work for social services and it was very much a thankless task. You were either the bbusybody kiddy snatchers out to take children away and when a case of abuse or neglect was uncovered a greek chorus of 'where were social services?' would spring up. You literalliy couldn't win. It did for me in the end and I went back to University to do a PhD in history.

I think the problem is that the public's perception of the Police is shaped by the officer or Social worker they have dealt with and tend to extrapolate that to be indicative of the organisation as a whole 'the Police are corrupt' or 'Social Services don't care' rather than PC 4461 is a bullying wanker or Social Worker X is lazy and negligent.

landofsoapandglory · 07/02/2013 22:46

No Nanny it was the Police, they never ever presented it to the CPS. The PC's would come to the house and talk to us and the sergant would decide what to do next.

They were dreadful, they made us feel like we were the ones in the wrong. They really, really let us down.

I am sorry of that upsets those you who are in the police or who have DP's in the Police, but that is my experience of them in recent years.

ThatVikRinA22 · 07/02/2013 22:49

evil - if you dont own a mobile then you should have gone to court - it would have been easy enough to prove. you should never had accepted it - that is an injustice and one that would annoy me.

the rest i cant be arsed to respond to. see my earlier comments and all that.

i am hiding this now. its pissing me right off.

marriedinwhite · 07/02/2013 22:49

Experiences total opposite of evilkitten's. Have found police, helpful, charming, totally supportive. They were great when my handbag was stolen years and years ago (and caught the thief and convicted him), great when my car was vandalised, great when we were burgled, great when fil dropped dead unexpectedly, great when ds disappeared off the radar, and great when I had a car accident last year - they were even incredibly kind to the elderly gentleman who caused a lot of damage to street furniture and my car and got his relatives to the scene until the ambulance came (we weren't sure what was wrong but he seemed very ill) all over a span of about 30 years actually.

nannyof3 · 07/02/2013 22:49

I hope u havent got children!!!

Children should grow up knowing they can trust the police and they will help them !!!!!!!

ThatVikRinA22 · 07/02/2013 22:50

land - did you actually read any of what i put?? no?

the case went to court.
as soon as that happens the police have no say anymore. the magistrate makes the decision based on the evidence.

DeepRedBetty · 07/02/2013 22:54

Think I might hide thread too. Sad

Lots of fine examples of bigots on this thread. Mostly of the 'All coppers is filth' variety. Some coppers is filth. And so are some MN-etters. Just sayin'.

DeepRedBetty · 07/02/2013 22:55

Vicar I'll press Hide Thread if you do too. I don't think either of our blood pressures can stand much more of this.

amillionyears · 07/02/2013 22:56

Vicar, fwiw, please dont think you have to defend all police.
Nobody should speak for anyone else, or feel they have to defend them.

There is a person who lives locally to me, who frequently goes round saying "I speak for everyone when I say......"
No, he absolutely does not.

A person is responsible for themselves. Not what someone else does or does not get up to.

marriedinwhite · 07/02/2013 22:58

And when I had the accident they duck taped my bonnet and side panels of the car back together so it was driveable and gave me a police escort to drive home in case it came undone. They did it to save me the trouble of waiting for a breakdown truck and getting home on public transport although they did say someone could wait with me and would drive me home - but it would be quicker to tape and escort - I don't think they contemplated leaving me to it on my own and I was absolutely fine. They also had to breathalyse me as a matter of routine and were incredibly sensitive about it. (That was terrifying actually - I had had two glasses the night before and have never been so worried in my life - there was not a trace of alcohol though).

They also called the next day to make sure I was OK.

JustasmallGless · 07/02/2013 22:59

Vicar
I only popped back to check on you tbh
My advice would be to hide the thread and step away

Those who supportive police rarely contribute to these threads whereas those who have had poor experiences will.

You can't change the world

After 19 years I have realised that I do my job to the best of my ability, support friends and colleagues going through bad times but that's it. I can't invest emotional energy in trying to change opinions on the Internet.

Take care of you x