to wonder why the female co-presenter on Countdown has to dress like a stripper

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Just that.

Is this 2013? Just utterly depressing.

I do absolutely love the use of "hairiness" as an insult from MrsBucket, if everyone could excuse me being incredibly childish for a second, ahem, I'd rather have hair legs than hairy hands

Thank you thisis.

Takes bow.

Now now murder, you getting rather personal arent you.

Which I haven't been once.

Do you piss standing up MrBucketxx?

I wish people would stop citing the first from Oxford as a sign of genius. I know several Oxford graduates, some with firsts, who are not 'insanely clever'. I'd much rather have Carol with her third back because even when she suddenly started doing 'fashionable' it was never to the extent of using Countdown as a personal fashion catwalk

"hopeful Maybe you should try paying more attention, it wouldn't be such a surprise to you then."

Erm excuse me? That was the worst attempt at an insult I have come across in a long time. I do not want my daughter growing up thinking she can't dress nicely for fear of tjhinking feminist nutters like you will say she is degrading herself. Equally, I don't want her growing up thinking she has to dress that way. There is a fine line between embracing gender equality and being a feminist nob head.

Only with a she wee bella.
Anymore insults?

"Now now murder, you getting rather personal arent you.

Which I haven't been once"

Hmm?
"sounds like your jealous" Mon 21-Jan-13 15:13:36
"You have the issue not her." Mon 21-Jan-13 15:39:05
"Are you mary whitehouse (reincarnated) op?" Mon 21-Jan-13 15:50:27
"Hhhhhhmmmm is that the smell of hairy women and burning bras." Tue 22-Jan-13 14:14:40

Oh no, actually you are right, you haven't been personal once, it's 4 times so far.

"Erm excuse me?"

Well you did suggest you'd never heard of sexism in comics before. I was just pointing out it wasn't a new thing and therefore not very surprising.

hopeful you are still missing the point. Women on tv do have to dress a certain way men do not this is not equal and they do not get equal pay and they are discriminated against because of their age

it is not about women dressing in revealing clothes, making the most of their looks (you do not have to wear tight clothes to do so) it's abut women on tv having to do so what message does this send out to young women when often their presenting partner is much older and overweight

Hmm, unless you weren't surprIsed to hear about sexism in comics but were instead being snarky at people caring about it? But surely if that was the case you wouldn't be hypocritical enough to pull someone up for being snarky back would you now?

Was that aimed at you murder?

No, I just think it's hysterical that you think it's an issue. Especially ones that were written years and years ago. It's like Enid Blyton books - full to the brim of controversial issues, but at the time they were written, not so much.

This country is full of too much red tape, PC crap and it does my head in. People should be able to wear what they want without you judging them.

I didn't once say I disputed the fact that if she was overweight and "ugly" she probably wouldn't have the job, so I wouldn't have the job, and it doesn't bother me in the slightest. The media is always going to be image orientated, it's not some new concept. It doesn't make it right, it's just not worth getting your knickers in your twist about.

Maybe spend your time teaching your daughter about the importance of gender equality if it bothers you that much, instead of insulting pregnant women over the internet.

Does it matter? Getting personal is getting personal isn't it?

"Especially ones that were written years and years ago"

Who said it was only about ones written years and years ago?

"People should be able to wear what they want without you judging them."

I agree, which you'd know if you'd read my earlier rants posts.

"The media is always going to be image orientated"

Only for women.

"It doesn't make it right, it's just not worth getting your knickers in your twist about."

God forbid people might make a fuss about things that aren't right with the aim of changing them.

"Maybe spend your time teaching your daughter about the importance of gender equality if it bothers you that much"

Can you not do both?

Oh and maybe spend your time teaching your children about the importance of not insulting pregnant women if it bothers you that much, instead of insulting ill and disabled women over the internet.

Because I know exactly what you are refering to and it is ridiculous. Women being drawn with large breasts, skimpy outfits, women given defensive powers not offensive powers... Big deal! But this is an entirely different debate, not one about Rachel on Countdown. I woud happily debate with you all day on the matter, but this is not the thread.

The mdeia is image orientated for men too, not just women! Get your head out of your arse, women are not that badly done to, stop making issues where there isn't any! I'm done on the matter, we are never going to agree.

Actually you don't then. I'm referring to women being drawn in ways that defy gravity/biology just in order to look "sexy", because that's reducing them to basically just tits and arse in a way that eliminates pesky little things like spines. I'm also referring to things like this, and this

"The mdeia is image orientated for men too, not just women!"

Ah of course, that's why you never see unattractive men being giving lots of work for high wages. Eg. all those stunners like Bruce Forsyth, Eamonn Holmes, Jeremy Beadle, Jimmy Saville, Noel Edmonds, Chris Evans, Adrian Chiles... do I need to go on?

There are also "unattractive" women in the media on high wages - Adele, Melissa McCarthy, Janet Street-Porter, Dawn French, Lisa Riley, Sandra Bernhard. Fern Britton, Clare Balding,...

And there are also attractive men in the media. Olly Murs, Gary Barlow, Dermot O'Leary, my list could coninue but I have much better things to do.

Its pretty obvious what Countdown are going for. That sort of Plain Jane Super Brain look where chaps think surely a lady that shexy cant be so clever.

Like Vorders was a bit towards the end.

It is slightly creepy, like the ladies that used to turn the cards over with Brucie salivating over them.