to be concerned by how much support Nigel Farage

[FreudiansSlipper]

Seems to be getting on Question Time

It's worrying how much support UKIP are getting

So Composhat are you happy with the nhs, school and housing provision of services we have in the UK at the moment?

Give the tories and ukip a chance and there will be no nhs, free schools and housing.

Housing was always at a premium anyway, even in areas where they have a low immigrant population.

I hate UKIP and everything they stand for. I think they are the thin end of the wedge. Ufortunately they currently have a carismatic leader (unlike several other parties) who glosses over some of their more dodgy members' opinions and who plays to quite frankly the lowest common denominator, i.e. the Daily Mail / Express target reader. I hope beyond home that the Mail doesn't decide to back them during the next election, but feel it is a dangerous possibility.

It's very strange how the UKIP manifesto stating that disabled people would be moved into 'congregate communities' is still google-able yet the document has disappeared...

I don't know what they stand for, are you seriously saying that disabled children will be at risk? No one in their right mind would vote for a party who would hurt these children.

Posters invoking Hitler or Nazis in their arguments about UKIP clearly know fuck all about what UKIP stand for.

And they are generally silly PC twats whos parties of choice are going to be voted out because they dont listen to the country, and more often than not those parties are responsible for the fucked up state the UK is in. The UK doesn't want more immigration and it doesn't want further integration with the EU.

Not all posters invoking Nazis are like this of course. Just some of them.

May be, but it doesn't want to euthanise the old either or put the disabled into congregate communities either.

I'm not calling UKIP Nazis btw. Just pointing out the horribly similar way that the Nazis came to power.

sukysue The current government aren't doing much to help disabled children.... Plenty of people voted for them

So Composhat are you happy with the nhs, school and housing provision of services we have in the UK at the moment?

No, but then UKIP's Policies - such as they are - seem like re-hashed sub Thathcherite nonsense that would be an absolute disaster for the provision of public services.

Thankfully, there is not a hope in hell they will win a seat at the next election under first past the post. All they'll do is carve a few thousand votes off sitting Tory MPs, which is brillinat news for all of us who want the Tories out.

Well isn't this coalition govt killing old people 'legally' by the use of the 'Liverpool Pathway'. You cannot tell me they don't know what goes on in the NHS they spend enough money on endless bloody surveys.

No. The Liverpool Pathway is a care system for people who are already dying, for whom nothing can be done other than make their end as comfortable as possible. It might be worth you reading up on it.

This government takes the biscuit for the worst in my lifetime and I lived through Heath.

But would you want that coalition to include a party that wants to take away parental choice and put all disabled children (regardless of ability) into special schools? Do you want a party that wants to put all disabled adults into completely underfunded and inappropriate institutions?

I work with disabled children and we have just moved into a new school shared with able bodied children. It is a wonderful job and place, really inspiring. The children are unbelievable they make my day week month year. I absolutely love them. It is partly because I work with them ,that I worry about their continued funding if the resources are spread even more. They need so much. I am fighting now for them to have a wheelchair scales , they can't even get weighed, something so simple that we able bodied persons take for granted. Life is so unfair. Prapps you can see where I am coming from now. It's all so hopeless. Is there really no one who cares anymore in politics?

In fact, has anyone ever really cared since Aneurin Bevan?

Oh Mr Bevan. Brilliant man. I see where you're coming from, Suky.

Is there really no one who cares anymore in politics?

Tough question. As much as I abhor some of the choices Labour made last time round, if I had a vote in the UK (which I don't) I would give them it next time. They seem to not care the least.

This is what I dont understand Suky, where anyone expects these extra resources to come from and they have to be pulled from somewhere.

On Question time they said other countries borders would be open this time - so the 29 million will not all head straight for us.

Fair enough - but what benefits do the other countries with open borders offer?
Didnt that guy on QT say after three months you can claim?

This is what I cant get my head round - you have the most vulnerable in our society being funded and protected by the public purse - their benefits are already be hit and housing etc - how is this going to improve , if you put more strain on the public purse?

What has happened in this country has punished the poorest the most.

The problem is that the three major players offer very little difference between them, so voters opt for ever more extreme parties based on one key issue, in this case immigration, without looking into further policies.

Ie no state education or healthcare, euthanasia for the elderly, congregate communities for disabled people.

I think there should be more immigration until the Little Englander, Daily Mail reading UKIP voters are strongly outnumbered.

The alternative doesn't bear thinking about.

Nigel said 'if you declare yourself self employed you can claim benefits from day 1' is this right ? I don't know what benefits other countries give to fellow EU migrants either. It seems to me we, (the British public) are ill informed on all things political. There is no education in schools as far as I can see I feel like I need to take a crash course in it to be able to vote in the next election.

"· Re-examine community care and support congregate communities for people with learning
disabilities......

........· Abandon the policy of ?inclusion? and allow
parents to chose special schools for children with
learning disabilities"

Hazy whatever your right on sensibilities would lead you to believe, the obsession with 'inclusion' and community care has led to a lot of damage. Many children and adults with learning disabilities (and their families) would be happier to see them in close communities where they are accepted for who they are.

Believe me 'inclusion' is not all it is cracked up to be.
Consider the rise in community living for older people. It has status and is increasing in popularity because, quite naturally, many people like to be with others in the same situation

I was wondering the exact same thing eliza but surely all being part of the EU they must also offer benefits or are there benefit systems not as generous as ours and why our country is seen as the more attractive option?

The widespread, horrific abuse that happened in the "communities" where people with disabilities were is well known.

WTAF, would you want people with disabilities to be kept away from society?

UKIP are evil for even suggesting such a thing.

Also, Private Eye has been covering UKIP's links with the far right for many years - they have plenty.

Actually benefits in most EU countries are similar. The whole benefit scrounging immigrant welcoming freaking catastrophe is being built up by the press. Or lovely free press.

our lovely free press free to lie but wouldn
.t have it any other way